lupusintabula - Day 4 |
| Link:14007 Sat Jan 23 00:21:56 2010 |
| Time:2005-09-09 19:20:01 GMT Author: Subject:(none) Link:14007#240567 | Parent:(none) Siblings:#2 #3 #4 #5 #7 #19 #35 #44 #49 #54 #58 #70 #75 #76 #77 #81 #90 #91 #93 #99 #108 #115 Children:(none) |
#1 | |
| Wow, that was unexpected... I suspected | |||
| Time:2005-09-09 19:21:13 GMT Author: Subject:(none) Link:14007#240823 | Parent:(none) Siblings:#1 #3 #4 #5 #7 #19 #35 #44 #49 #54 #58 #70 #75 #76 #77 #81 #90 #91 #93 #99 #108 #115 Children:(none) |
#2 | |
| Also, isn't this day 4 now? Or is it Groundhog Day? :) | |||
| Time:2005-09-09 19:22:55 GMT Author: Subject:(none) Link:14007#241079 | Parent:(none) Siblings:#1 #2 #4 #5 #7 #19 #35 #44 #49 #54 #58 #70 #75 #76 #77 #81 #90 #91 #93 #99 #108 #115 Children:#26 |
#3 | |
| Right then... just to reveal how ignorant I am of all the game play... So, Seer was killed by Werehamster and since the Werehamster can't be killed except by lynching or being seen by the Seer, it was a mutual "attack"? And the wolves fail again??? | |||
| Time:2005-09-09 19:23:25 GMT Author: Subject:(none) Link:14007#241335 | Parent:(none) Siblings:#1 #2 #3 #5 #7 #19 #35 #44 #49 #54 #58 #70 #75 #76 #77 #81 #90 #91 #93 #99 #108 #115 Children:#6 #21 |
#4 | |
| Okay - we've killed: We have one original WEREWOLF left. We have the possibility of the AFFLICTED (being) turned into a WEREWOLF. That's it folks. That's all we've got to beat. [GM: Please confirm how the AFFLICTED character, if turned, interacts (if at all) with the original WEREWOLVES. And assuming they don't get to, after the original WEREWOLVES are killed, we still have to kill the AFFLICTED, right? And do they get to continue killing each night if they're the only remaining WEREWOLF?] I propose that the MASONS out themselves. They are two VILLAGERS that know one another's identity. If the remaining WEREWOLF and the AFFLICTED are in communication, they (working together) are the only remaining way to LIE and dispute that claim. | |||
| Time:2005-09-09 19:35:58 GMT Author: Subject:(none) Link:14007#241847 | Parent:(none) Siblings:#1 #2 #3 #4 #7 #19 #35 #44 #49 #54 #58 #70 #75 #76 #77 #81 #90 #91 #93 #99 #108 #115 Children:#9 #10 #11 |
#5 | |
| Well here's what we got from the claim game: Day1: 1. 2. 3. Day2: no claims Day3: 1. amphitrie27 is a wolf 2. 3. We know 2 is out, since | |||
| Time:2005-09-09 19:36:49 GMT Author: Subject:(none) Link:14007#242103 | Parent:#4 Siblings:#21 Children:#8 #12 #14 |
#6 | |
| (Additional logic behind my suggestion - the only special ability of the MASONS is to corroborate each other's claim. They're no more a target of the wolves than anyone else once outed. In fact, they're safer, since there's no special ability to try and remove from play. It's the same logic, btw, as outing myself as the CUPID, which I am. I can out either or both lovers. My truthful claim can only be disputed by disruptive wolves, and there aren't enough remaining to outweigh the defense of two real lovers. We've got three special character (but essentially plain) villagers here that can be identified, and are low risk targets. That also sorta identifies the Hunter and Bodyguard (who have both already come out without dispute anyway though.) My vote might be swayed by a convincing argument that we've misidentified the HUNTER or BODYGUARD before, or if the MASONS (who I'm sure I've identified since loosing the SEER) convince me that I'm guessing wrong here, but I think the only remaining characters that can be the AFFLICTED( | |||
| Time:2005-09-09 19:37:55 GMT Author: Subject:(none) Link:14007#242359 | Parent:(none) Siblings:#1 #2 #3 #4 #5 #19 #35 #44 #49 #54 #58 #70 #75 #76 #77 #81 #90 #91 #93 #99 #108 #115 Children:#18 |
#7 | |
| If the masons out themselves, then we have: 1) the werewolves claim to be masons also, and we have 4 potential werewolves - which we can easily kill in 3 lynchings total. 2) the werewolves do not claim to be masons, so we have 2 less suspects. Also, am I correct in assuming the werewolves did not kill anyone last night? | |||
| Time:2005-09-09 19:39:33 GMT Author: Subject:(none) Link:14007#242615 | Parent:#6 Siblings:#12 #14 Children:#29 |
#8 | |
| do NOT out the lovers. speaking from previous experience, they are an instant target, due to the 2-for-1 nature of such a kill. Also, outing them as lovers doesn't validate them as villagers. We'll assume that you're Cupid unless someone else steps forward. | |||
| Time:2005-09-09 19:39:48 GMT Author: Subject:(none) Link:14007#242871 | Parent:#5 Siblings:#10 #11 Children:#15 |
#9 | |
| Okay, so assuming that she intended to exonerate Vote Discuss. | |||
| Time:2005-09-09 19:40:21 GMT Author: Subject:(none) Link:14007#243127 | Parent:#5 Siblings:#9 #11 Children:#28 |
#10 | |
| We've identified amphrite27 as the WEREHAMSTER - therefore wasn't a wolf. The Day3 blame game identifies rule 3 as the true rule. No good reason to disbelieve either claim therefore that she's a plain villager and that you're the hunter. | |||
| Time:2005-09-09 19:41:21 GMT Author: Subject:(none) Link:14007#243383 | Parent:#5 Siblings:#9 #10 Children:(none) |
#11 | |
| Scratch that. Duh. | |||
| Time:2005-09-09 19:41:30 GMT Author: Subject:(none) Link:14007#243639 | Parent:#6 Siblings:#8 #14 Children:#13 |
#12 | |
| one more thing - are you saying that daedalus is the afflicted and | |||
| Time:2005-09-09 19:42:05 GMT Author: Subject:(none) Link:14007#243895 | Parent:#12 Siblings:(none) Children:(none) |
#13 | |
| nevermind, ignore this. misread the claims. | |||
| Time:2005-09-09 19:43:51 GMT Author: Subject:(none) Link:14007#244407 | Parent:#6 Siblings:#8 #12 Children:#17 |
#14 | |
| Excuse me, but I'm just a villager here. If I do have the misfortune of being so tainted, it hasn't been triggered. | |||
| Time:2005-09-09 19:45:11 GMT Author: Subject:(none) Link:14007#244663 | Parent:#9 Siblings:(none) Children:#16 #22 |
#15 | |
| Unless we are to take | |||
| Time:2005-09-09 19:48:41 GMT Author: Subject:(none) Link:14007#245175 | Parent:#15 Siblings:#22 Children:#23 |
#16 | |
| Did I miss something? I thought he put | |||
| Time:2005-09-09 19:50:36 GMT Author: Subject:(none) Link:14007#245431 | Parent:#14 Siblings:(none) Children:#20 |
#17 | |
| So, we kill Sorry, but for the time being, you're top of my list. But you don't have to worry about me turning toward discussing lynching you until after all that resolves itself. | |||
| Time:2005-09-09 19:50:44 GMT Author: Subject:(none) Link:14007#245687 | Parent:#7 Siblings:(none) Children:(none) |
#18 | |
| No Werewolf kills last night. | |||
| Time:2005-09-09 19:50:45 GMT Author: Subject:(none) Link:14007#245943 | Parent:(none) Siblings:#1 #2 #3 #4 #5 #7 #35 #44 #49 #54 #58 #70 #75 #76 #77 #81 #90 #91 #93 #99 #108 #115 Children:#24 #27 #52 |
#19 | |
| And since *Not proven until death. Yadda yadda yadda... | |||
| Time:2005-09-09 19:52:19 GMT Author: Subject:(none) Link:14007#246199 | Parent:#17 Siblings:(none) Children:#30 |
#20 | |
| Uh... Thanks? I think? | |||
| Time:2005-09-09 19:52:47 GMT Author: Subject:(none) Link:14007#246711 | Parent:#4 Siblings:#6 Children:(none) |
#21 | |
| If the Afflicted is activated, he becomes part of the Werewolf community. He gets to know who all the other Werewolves are and gets to vote in who to eat at the nightly Werewolf meetings. | |||
| Time:2005-09-09 19:54:11 GMT Author: Subject:(none) Link:14007#246967 | Parent:#15 Siblings:#16 Children:(none) |
#22 | |
| I have no idea how all of a sudden I enter into your logic. I may be fairly silent, but that is just because I am new to the game. I'm happy the GM made me a plain villager so I don't have the fear of doing anything stupid. I'm just following the posts and voting with my gut. vote | |||
| Time:2005-09-09 19:54:38 GMT Author: Subject:(none) Link:14007#247223 | Parent:#16 Siblings:(none) Children:#25 |
#23 | |
| Yeah, he did, but then he took it back ("I have much better suspects"). And look at the particular couched phrasing he used in the initial suspicion. | |||
| Time:2005-09-09 19:56:54 GMT Author: Subject:(none) Link:14007#247479 | Parent:#19 Siblings:#27 #52 Children:#32 |
#24 | |
| Whoops, missed one... | |||
| Time:2005-09-09 19:58:00 GMT Author: Subject:(none) Link:14007#247735 | Parent:#23 Siblings:(none) Children:(none) |
#25 | |
| Hmm... Good point... | |||
| Time:2005-09-09 20:01:27 GMT Author: Subject:(none) Link:14007#248247 | Parent:#3 Siblings:(none) Children:(none) |
#26 | |
| They killed eachother. No Werewolf kill. | |||
| Time:2005-09-09 20:04:39 GMT Author: Subject:(none) Link:14007#248503 | Parent:#19 Siblings:#24 #52 Children:(none) |
#27 | |
| 5 suspects. One WEREWOLF. One AFFLICTED(state unknown). Two MASONS. One Bodyguard. When the MASONS out and verify each other, it removes them from the list of suspects. | |||
| Time:2005-09-09 20:06:25 GMT Author: Subject:(none) Link:14007#249015 | Parent:#10 Siblings:(none) Children:#33 #59 |
#28 | |
| Actually, I just realized something... Assuming that | |||
| Time:2005-09-09 20:09:29 GMT Author: Subject:(none) Link:14007#250039 | Parent:#8 Siblings:(none) Children:(none) |
#29 | |
| Nope. No need to out them. Their status really doesn't get us anything this late into this particular game, other than validating my uncontested claim as Cupid. | |||
| Time:2005-09-09 20:10:48 GMT Author: Subject:(none) Link:14007#250295 | Parent:#20 Siblings:(none) Children:#31 |
#30 | |
| Yeah. You get the benefit of the doubt until there's a new problem demanding we defeat one more wolf. I'm on your side... at least until tomorrow. | |||
| Time:2005-09-09 20:11:33 GMT Author: Subject:(none) Link:14007#250551 | Parent:#30 Siblings:(none) Children:(none) |
#31 | |
| I'll take what I can get, thanks. :) | |||
| Time:2005-09-09 20:15:59 GMT Author: Subject:(none) Link:14007#250807 | Parent:#24 Siblings:(none) Children:#34 |
#32 | |
| 4 suspects. 2 masons, 1 wolf, 1 afflcited. (All of this assuming the Bodyguard claim is truthful; and that I am in fact the Cupid) We identify the masons and are left with a wolf and an afflcited. (Or we get all four in contention - claiming as pairs, but only if the afflcited is already a wolf!) If the masons go into contention then we know the afflicted has changed. If they don't we don't know either way, but we do know who the MASONS are - that gives us two people to deal with. A wolf and a potential wolf. We kill one tonight. If we're right then either we've won, or we've got one left (the turned afflicted) to get. If we kill the wrong person (that same unchanged afflcited), then ew've only got one suspect left, and it's that damned remaining wolf. The only lucky break we face in hastilly killing the unturned afflicted is that the wolf can't target that person tonight and turn them into a new helper wolf. | |||
| Time:2005-09-09 20:22:03 GMT Author: Subject:(none) Link:14007#251063 | Parent:#28 Siblings:#59 Children:#36 |
#33 | |
| A valid point. But we don't have any reason to disbelieve Anyone else wanna step up and claim to the the HUNTER? Or the WITCH or CUPID for that matter? The timing for a cleared | |||
| Time:2005-09-09 20:26:12 GMT Author: Subject:(none) Link:14007#251831 | Parent:#32 Siblings:(none) Children:#38 |
#34 | |
| Damn, that spelling corrector really likes to cause votes for the Unvote I agree that the MASONS should come out. In the meantime, I'll follow your lead and vote | |||
| Time:2005-09-09 20:27:12 GMT Author: Subject:(none) Link:14007#252087 | Parent:(none) Siblings:#1 #2 #3 #4 #5 #7 #19 #44 #49 #54 #58 #70 #75 #76 #77 #81 #90 #91 #93 #99 #108 #115 Children:#37 |
#35 | |
| yea, i don't think we can do much until the masons out themselves. from there we can decide which of the 2 remaining peoples to lynch. I'm also interested in why the werewolves didn't get a kill last night. Anyone want to shed some light on the subject? | |||
| Time:2005-09-09 20:28:03 GMT Author: Subject:(none) Link:14007#252343 | Parent:#33 Siblings:(none) Children:(none) |
#36 | |
| Like I said, I don't actually suspect them enough to call them out on it. I simply think it would be dangerous to clear them completely based on what could be faulty information. | |||
| Time:2005-09-09 20:30:21 GMT Author: Subject:(none) Link:14007#252599 | Parent:#35 Siblings:(none) Children:#40 |
#37 | |
| Well, being the Bodyguard, you're the only one left who could save someone. So if you're not claiming to have saved anyone, that means they probably either attacked the hamster or triggered the afflicted. | |||
| Time:2005-09-09 20:34:39 GMT Author: Subject:(none) Link:14007#253111 | Parent:#34 Siblings:(none) Children:#39 |
#38 | |
| The most obvious answer, other than him being a wolf of course, is that he's the real Cupid and would prefer to resolve the situation without outing himself. Whether this is actually the case or not is, obviously, beyond my ken. | |||
| Time:2005-09-09 20:48:46 GMT Author: Subject:(none) Link:14007#254647 | Parent:#38 Siblings:(none) Children:#51 |
#39 | |
| The only good reason I came up with to not explicitly out oneself as cupid is that it removes the list of specials that other not-yet-identified-villagers (like the SEER or the WITCH) might be. No point in still clinging to that now that both of them have been outed. | |||
| Time:2005-09-09 20:56:21 GMT Author: Subject:(none) Link:14007#254903 | Parent:#37 Siblings:(none) Children:#41 |
#40 | |
| It'd seem smart at this point for anyone to give up any information they've got on BODYGUARD saves. (Well, has any villager been notified that they were attacked but saved by the BODYGUARD?) (Is that a correct reading of the chart for how that notifcation system works?) | |||
| Time:2005-09-09 20:59:35 GMT Author: Subject:(none) Link:14007#255159 | Parent:#40 Siblings:(none) Children:#42 #57 |
#41 | |
| no one has been saved by me. This means that, since the werewolves would not attack the hampster two nights in a row, the afflicted has been turned. we have 2 werewolves among us still. | |||
| Time:2005-09-09 21:03:20 GMT Author: Subject:(none) Link:14007#255415 | Parent:#41 Siblings:#57 Children:#43 |
#42 | |
| Could it also mean that the wolves attacked either the seer or hamster but were lower in the order of operations? (Still learning the rules) | |||
| Time:2005-09-09 21:06:50 GMT Author: Subject:(none) Link:14007#255671 | Parent:#42 Siblings:(none) Children:#45 #47 |
#43 | |
| All attacks are done simulaneously and blindly. If the Hamster targets the final Wolf, and that Wolf targets the Seer, then all 3 die. | |||
| Time:2005-09-09 21:07:29 GMT Author: Subject:(none) Link:14007#255927 | Parent:(none) Siblings:#1 #2 #3 #4 #5 #7 #19 #35 #49 #54 #58 #70 #75 #76 #77 #81 #90 #91 #93 #99 #108 #115 Children:#61 |
#44 | |
| Of the 4 left, 2 are masons and 2 are werewolves. So, own up, people. Even if it takes us 3 lynchings to figure it out, we can't lose (presuming that the wolves are, of course, among those two). | |||
| Time:2005-09-09 21:08:09 GMT Author: Subject:(none) Link:14007#256439 | Parent:#43 Siblings:#47 Children:#46 #48 |
#45 | |
| but if the hampster and the wolf targeted the seer, and the seer targeted the hampster, then we'd only have 2 deaths. | |||
| Time:2005-09-09 21:12:40 GMT Author: Subject:(none) Link:14007#256951 | Parent:#45 Siblings:#48 Children:(none) |
#46 | |
| Exactly the case I was envisioning. | |||
| Time:2005-09-09 21:43:36 GMT Author: Subject:(none) Link:14007#258231 | Parent:#43 Siblings:#45 Children:(none) |
#47 | |
| Umm...I mean't both die. If the Seer views the Hamster, and the Hamster attacks a Wolf, and that Wolf attacks the Seer, then all 3 die. | |||
| Time:2005-09-09 22:13:31 GMT Author: Subject:So many questions... Link:14007#260535 | Parent:#45 Siblings:#46 Children:#50 |
#48 | |
| If the hamster and the wolves targeted the same vicitm, does the kill look like a hamster kill or a wolf kill? Or does the GM choose randomly somehow? | |||
| Time:2005-09-09 22:14:49 GMT Author: Subject:(none) Link:14007#260791 | Parent:(none) Siblings:#1 #2 #3 #4 #5 #7 #19 #35 #44 #54 #58 #70 #75 #76 #77 #81 #90 #91 #93 #99 #108 #115 Children:#53 |
#49 | |
| vote Sorry dude... your immediate targeting of | |||
| Time:2005-09-09 22:17:55 GMT Author: Subject:Re: So many questions... Link:14007#261047 | Parent:#48 Siblings:(none) Children:(none) |
#50 | |
| I'd prolly go with a combo kill, such as a green, bloated, clawed corpse, (poison breath and wolf claws) just for novelty's sake | |||
| Time:2005-09-09 22:27:12 GMT Author: Subject:(none) Link:14007#261559 | Parent:#39 Siblings:(none) Children:#56 |
#51 | |
| You do realize, that if the afflicted has been turned, that those cleared by the seer are no longer cleared. | |||
| Time:2005-09-09 22:28:36 GMT Author: Subject:(none) Link:14007#262071 | Parent:#19 Siblings:#24 #27 Children:(none) |
#52 | |
| Can we claim | |||
| Time:2005-09-09 22:30:10 GMT Author: Subject:(none) Link:14007#262583 | Parent:#49 Siblings:(none) Children:#55 #102 |
#53 | |
| Perhaps I was being rash with my vote. Inexperience perhaps. I will unvote and reserve my vote until later. | |||
| Time:2005-09-09 22:44:56 GMT Author: Subject:(none) Link:14007#263351 | Parent:(none) Siblings:#1 #2 #3 #4 #5 #7 #19 #35 #44 #49 #58 #70 #75 #76 #77 #81 #90 #91 #93 #99 #108 #115 Children:(none) |
#54 | |
| After reviewing the evidence further, I have to agree that there isn't as much evidence against Unvote | |||
| Time:2005-09-09 22:45:38 GMT Author: Subject:(none) Link:14007#263607 | Parent:#53 Siblings:#102 Children:#95 |
#55 | |
| The script won't pick up your retraction unless you either vote for someone else or | |||
| Time:2005-09-09 22:55:25 GMT Author: Subject:(none) Link:14007#264119 | Parent:#51 Siblings:(none) Children:#60 |
#56 | |
| Yeah, but no player can be both the Hunter and Afflicted - so assuming we trust After we kill you, we'll reassess our situation wrt wolves and go from there. I still think this all looks a lot clearer once we've spoken to the Masons. | |||
| Time:2005-09-09 22:58:41 GMT Author: Subject:(none) Link:14007#264375 | Parent:#41 Siblings:#42 Children:#66 |
#57 | |
| Ok. So my other question here- who have you protected each round? Then we know who the wolves haven't been attacking. | |||
| Time:2005-09-09 23:16:30 GMT Author: Subject:(none) Link:14007#265655 | Parent:(none) Siblings:#1 #2 #3 #4 #5 #7 #19 #35 #44 #49 #54 #70 #75 #76 #77 #81 #90 #91 #93 #99 #108 #115 Children:#67 #68 #72 |
#58 | |
| I don't have much time, but I got the impression from one was the original wolf, one is the new wolf (and both don't know who they are yet), and one is a poor villager . . . oh and one is a lover of those not listed there (so one wolf might get screwed by the other wolf) those are my only three suspects left . . . and I'll have to review my notes to make a best guess from the three of them . . . | |||
| Time:2005-09-09 23:21:43 GMT Author: Subject:(none) Link:14007#266167 | Parent:#28 Siblings:#33 Children:#62 |
#59 | |
| Time:2005-09-09 23:23:37 GMT Author: Subject:(none) Link:14007#266679 | Parent:#56 Siblings:(none) Children:#63 |
#60 | |
| see my reasoning for lynching | |||
| Time:2005-09-09 23:25:22 GMT Author: Subject:(none) Link:14007#266935 | Parent:#44 Siblings:(none) Children:(none) |
#61 | |
| you are forgetting | |||
| Time:2005-09-09 23:28:50 GMT Author: Subject:(none) Link:14007#267191 | Parent:#59 Siblings:(none) Children:(none) |
#62 | |
| Also true. I was simply attemping to describe the most restrictive case. | |||
| Time:2005-09-09 23:30:44 GMT Author: Subject:(none) Link:14007#267447 | Parent:#60 Siblings:(none) Children:#64 |
#63 | |
| Yesterday she was still just a plain jane villager though. Today she may be a turned afflicted and need killin'. But killing her yesterday would have just preserved our perfect lynch record. | |||
| Time:2005-09-10 00:26:22 GMT Author: Subject:(none) Link:14007#268215 | Parent:#63 Siblings:(none) Children:#65 |
#64 | |
| ahh but if we had no one better (which we thankfully did), it would have been a good preventative measure :) | |||
| Time:2005-09-10 00:31:48 GMT Author: Subject:(none) Link:14007#268471 | Parent:#64 Siblings:(none) Children:(none) |
#65 | |
| Right up to the point where we'd killed an innocent villager and left the wolves to kill someone else in the night. We'd have seen two villager deaths and not have killed a wolf, and still had to worry about if there was the Afflicted character still wandering around. | |||
| Time:2005-09-10 00:52:58 GMT Author: Subject:(none) Link:14007#268727 | Parent:#57 Siblings:(none) Children:(none) |
#66 | |
| Night 1 - Night 2 - Night 3 - | |||
| Time:2005-09-10 00:55:20 GMT Author: Subject:(none) Link:14007#268983 | Parent:#58 Siblings:#68 #72 Children:#73 |
#67 | |
| Two wolves. Three suspects. And one of them is the afflicted who was turned last night, so old evidence doesn't help with that one. Tough lot. Interesting gamble claiming that only one of the three suspects is one of the lovers. Running out the permutations tree, I'm not sure what you think we got for that. | |||
| Time:2005-09-10 01:04:07 GMT Author: Subject:Just a sweet, innocent, unloved village girl... Link:14007#269239 | Parent:#58 Siblings:#67 #72 Children:#69 |
#68 | |
| If I'm the new wolf, I haven't been told yet. And GP (not blonde, but planning to have purple streaks again after next Tuesday!) | |||
| Time:2005-09-10 03:04:22 GMT Author: Subject:Re: Just a sweet, innocent, unloved village girl... Link:14007#269751 | Parent:#68 Siblings:(none) Children:(none) |
#69 | |
| the lovers are irrelevant, as they can be villagers or wolves. not even Cupid knows. | |||
| Time:2005-09-10 05:52:51 GMT Author: Subject:And today ends???? Link:14007#270263 | Parent:(none) Siblings:#1 #2 #3 #4 #5 #7 #19 #35 #44 #49 #54 #58 #75 #76 #77 #81 #90 #91 #93 #99 #108 #115 Children:#71 |
#70 | |
| Just to confirm - the end of this 'day' is going to be Mon at 11am, right? | |||
| Time:2005-09-10 06:52:41 GMT Author: Subject:Re: And today ends???? Link:14007#270519 | Parent:#70 Siblings:(none) Children:(none) |
#71 | |
| You got it. | |||
| Time:2005-09-10 09:03:43 GMT Author: Subject:(none) Link:14007#271287 | Parent:#58 Siblings:#67 #68 Children:(none) |
#72 | |
| I apologize, mabey I missed something in prior posts, but... 1) Why is 2) oh and one is a lover of those not listed there Where does this come from? | |||
| Time:2005-09-10 09:12:02 GMT Author: Subject:(none) Link:14007#271543 | Parent:#67 Siblings:(none) Children:#74 |
#73 | |
| Are you agreeing with him that there are only three suspects, and that one of those he mentioned must be the turned afflicted? Not even getting into the lover thing now. No idea where he gets that, but I don't think it matters much at this point who they are. Unrelated question: Why have the MASONS not yet come out? Is it not clear that doing so does not put them at any risk? | |||
| Time:2005-09-10 14:39:09 GMT Author: Subject:(none) Link:14007#272311 | Parent:#73 Siblings:(none) Children:(none) |
#74 | |
| Yes, I'm agreeing that there are three suspects for the remaining two wolves (one of whom is the afflicted and was turned last night). The lovers claim is an interesting one, but I'm hanging back on commenting on it until I better understand the implications of confirming or denying it. I imagine that the masons have kept quiet while they each make a similar deliberation about what information they reveal. | |||
| Time:2005-09-10 17:48:07 GMT Author: Subject:(none) Link:14007#272567 | Parent:(none) Siblings:#1 #2 #3 #4 #5 #7 #19 #35 #44 #49 #54 #58 #70 #76 #77 #81 #90 #91 #93 #99 #108 #115 Children:#78 #79 |
#75 | |
| ok I was hoping to have the protection of the bodyguard tonight, but apparently since he protected me last night (thanks for that even though it screws with me today) I might as well tell you everything I suspect . . . 1) the afflicted was turned last night 2) the only "known" villager yesterday was 3) the wolf targeted 4) 5) the wolves didn't attack the bodyguard last night, which would have been a prime target to attack 6) they also didn't attack any of the known villagers that we all mostly trust 7) instead they attacked someone who we still somewhat suspected: 8) why would they do that when wolves would greedily eat the bodyguard as soon as they found him 9) the lone wolf remaining has been devious. He voted for 10) the lone remaining wolf voted for 11) the lone remaining wolf has a lover that he has been protecting 12) the lone remaining wolf has the majority of his seer claims as true and has been encouraging people on to produce claims so that he could try and identify the seer (with many of his claims as true I thought he might even be the seer) 13) the reason the bodyguard didn't die last night, the reason the wolf took a chance on a poor villager in an attempt to find the afflicted, was that the wolf couldn't attack the bodyguard since the bodyguard is his lover 14) the wolf is 15) the afflicted and now new werewolf is 16) Vote | |||
| Time:2005-09-10 17:50:25 GMT Author: Subject:(none) Link:14007#272823 | Parent:(none) Siblings:#1 #2 #3 #4 #5 #7 #19 #35 #44 #49 #54 #58 #70 #75 #77 #81 #90 #91 #93 #99 #108 #115 Children:(none) |
#76 | |
| oh and I know the wolves lover will say, but he never told me this or he never hinted that he was a wolf and that I should be killing everyone off . . . my answer to that is that he didn't need to . . . and he wouldn't risk it . . . for even without him telling you that he was a wolf, you would happily go on lynching everyone but him, which is exactly his goal . . . and to the wolf's lover . . . I really am sorry that you picked poorly in your love . . . and I am sorry that you will die when we lynch his furry ass . . . but thanks for protecting me the other night :) | |||
| Time:2005-09-10 17:52:03 GMT Author: Subject:(none) Link:14007#273079 | Parent:(none) Siblings:#1 #2 #3 #4 #5 #7 #19 #35 #44 #49 #54 #58 #70 #75 #76 #81 #90 #91 #93 #99 #108 #115 Children:#94 |
#77 | |
| oh and if you really hadn't figured it out yet . . . as a powerful, rich, vampiric mayor of a prosperous city called Millers Hollow, of course I'm part of a secret organization of powerful rich evil doers . . . and yes | |||
| Time:2005-09-10 18:51:51 GMT Author: Subject:(none) Link:14007#273335 | Parent:#75 Siblings:#79 Children:#80 |
#78 | |
| Nicely done, Sir! I'd missed the mechanics of the Bodyguard connection while trying to not expose the Lovers, but you're quite right - scrambling for the afflicted before taking out the confessed bodyguard exposes that pair. (Another point to confirm - of the 153 possible lover combinations, most of them have been eliminated as possible through voting or deaths. If you remove The only remaining reason you have to doubt either of us is if we've been collaborating as wolves - unlikely since 1) one of us would have to have been turned last night and 2) as Cupid, I can confirm the identities of the Lovers as And to UNVOTE VOTE I agree with the suspicion that | |||
| Time:2005-09-10 19:51:05 GMT Author: Subject:(none) Link:14007#273847 | Parent:#75 Siblings:#78 Children:(none) |
#79 | |
| Vote | |||
| Time:2005-09-10 20:50:44 GMT Author: Subject:(none) Link:14007#274103 | Parent:#78 Siblings:(none) Children:#82 |
#80 | |
| oh I'm down to 8 possible combinations for lovers . . . however there's only one possible combination left with and you sorta gave away daedalus the other day when you said you had proof and then said to him "you'd back me up, no?" and correct we don't know for sure it isn't at this point daedalus can only have h&h or | |||
| Time:2005-09-10 22:15:16 GMT Author: Subject:(none) Link:14007#274359 | Parent:(none) Siblings:#1 #2 #3 #4 #5 #7 #19 #35 #44 #49 #54 #58 #70 #75 #76 #77 #90 #91 #93 #99 #108 #115 Children:#84 #85 |
#81 | |
| Ok, let's say you're right and daedelus is a wolf. If so, why don't you vote 1) 2) It makes no sense to kill the bodyguard when a wolf will still live. 3) For these reasons, you should vote | |||
| Time:2005-09-10 23:27:14 GMT Author: Subject:(none) Link:14007#274615 | Parent:#80 Siblings:(none) Children:#83 |
#82 | |
| It's rapidly not going to matter anymore, but my bookkeeping looks different than yours on that I believe that | |||
| Time:2005-09-10 23:40:05 GMT Author: Subject:(none) Link:14007#274871 | Parent:#82 Siblings:(none) Children:#86 |
#83 | |
| yep you're right . . . I haven't updated my spreadsheet with today's votes yet so | |||
| Time:2005-09-10 23:46:55 GMT Author: Subject:(none) Link:14007#275127 | Parent:#81 Siblings:#85 Children:#92 |
#84 | |
| you're grasping at straws now . . . 1) fine I'm a mason . . . duh . . . 2) sure it does, when because of your sexual relations with a wolf, you're bad too (so we have three bad people to deal with) . . . we get two for the price of one now (which means less confusion tomorrow when we only have one to get rid of) . . . 3) even in the remote possibility that we're wrong, there will only be two suspects and two wolves left . . . but it's a remote possibility . . . and if it makes you feel better we could all switch our votes to you instead of daedalus? it achieves the same result in the end . . . and also odds of you and daedalus picking the same person tonight is pretty slim, and well unlikely considering that you're lovers and all . . . and lets face it, | |||
| Time:2005-09-11 00:02:34 GMT Author: Subject:(none) Link:14007#275383 | Parent:#81 Siblings:#84 Children:(none) |
#85 | |
| There's no conclusive proof that And well, all of the people left to make that claim have already tried to pass themselves off as "plain villagers". We've got a plain villager, an original wolf, and a turned afflicted to convincingly tell us that two of them have been masons all along. No dice. Now - the way I see it, our options are to lynch If however, we lynch There is some mercy in letting you live the extra day. But there isn't much strategic value to doing so. It's nearly a coin toss for condemning you today or tomorrow. And sadly, as long as | |||
| Time:2005-09-11 00:12:21 GMT Author: Subject:(none) Link:14007#275639 | Parent:#83 Siblings:(none) Children:#87 #88 |
#86 | |
| I only fell to 8 pairing in the process of both ruling you out and counting today's votes. Hrmn. Weird. Anyway - like I said - they're out, it's done. But I'm curious if my tracking got broken somewhere along the way. | |||
| Time:2005-09-11 00:23:12 GMT Author: Subject:(none) Link:14007#275895 | Parent:#86 Siblings:#88 Children:(none) |
#87 | |
| nope, I just updated my spreadsheet . . . and i have 8 pairings too . . . I think I counted | |||
| Time:2005-09-11 00:30:17 GMT Author: Subject:(none) Link:14007#276151 | Parent:#86 Siblings:#87 Children:#89 |
#88 | |
| course a lot of it became clear when the bodyguard didn't die last night | |||
| Time:2005-09-11 00:33:59 GMT Author: Subject:(none) Link:14007#276407 | Parent:#88 Siblings:(none) Children:(none) |
#89 | |
| Yup. I was totally blind to that. Call it combined newbie inexperience and cupid-induced blindness. | |||
| Time:2005-09-11 01:54:20 GMT Author: Subject:Rule clarification for our GM Link:14007#276919 | Parent:(none) Siblings:#1 #2 #3 #4 #5 #7 #19 #35 #44 #49 #54 #58 #70 #75 #76 #77 #81 #91 #93 #99 #108 #115 Children:#96 |
#90 | |
| I saw the posting over at Miller's Hollow clarifying the Master Rules Set, and am curious about how the AFFLICTED notification was/is being carried out here. Is it consistent with the amended Miller's Hollow rules? Or was it handled differently this game, and if so, how? The point is perhaps moot given the last few comments from | |||
| Time:2005-09-11 01:58:03 GMT Author: Subject:(none) Link:14007#277431 | Parent:(none) Siblings:#1 #2 #3 #4 #5 #7 #19 #35 #44 #49 #54 #58 #70 #75 #76 #77 #81 #90 #93 #99 #108 #115 Children:(none) |
#91 | |
| unvote gpeefault vote | |||
| Time:2005-09-11 02:26:12 GMT Author: Subject:(none) Link:14007#277687 | Parent:#84 Siblings:(none) Children:(none) |
#92 | |
| sorry, i missed the mason claim when i posted this. clearly i'm not going to change any of your minds. | |||
| Time:2005-09-11 05:14:35 GMT Author: Subject:(none) Link:14007#277943 | Parent:(none) Siblings:#1 #2 #3 #4 #5 #7 #19 #35 #44 #49 #54 #58 #70 #75 #76 #77 #81 #90 #91 #99 #108 #115 Children:#97 |
#93 | |
| Christ, I step away for one afternoon and I end up on the gallows... I am not a wolf, but for the sake of argument, let's say for a moment that I am... Why in God's name would I want to trigger the afflicted? That would just be one more wolf I'd have to get rid of while dodging the suspicion of the rest of you. The witch or the hunter would have been a much better target. If you all are hellbent on lynching me, there doesn't seem to be much left that I can do about it. Until then, I'm going to side with the only person left that seems to believe me. Unvote | |||
| Time:2005-09-11 07:00:29 GMT Author: Subject:Yep, we're the Masons. Link:14007#278199 | Parent:#77 Siblings:(none) Children:(none) |
#94 | |
| Yeah, all those evening meetings..... | |||
| Time:2005-09-11 07:13:50 GMT Author: Subject:(none) Link:14007#278455 | Parent:#55 Siblings:(none) Children:(none) |
#95 | |
| OK... unvote vote | |||
| Time:2005-09-11 18:32:36 GMT Author: Subject:Re: Rule clarification for our GM Link:14007#278711 | Parent:#90 Siblings:(none) Children:#98 |
#96 | |
| When the Afflicted is activated, the Afflicted is the only one notified. Nice try at clearing your name, but I can neither confirm nor deny whether you have recieved this notification. ;) | |||
| Time:2005-09-11 21:16:22 GMT Author: Subject:(none) Link:14007#278967 | Parent:#93 Siblings:(none) Children:#100 |
#97 | |
| dude she voted for you above . . . where'd that belief go? :) why would you want an afflicted? because it gives you another wolf for the rest of the villagers to hunt down . . . one more person on your side who doesn't know that you're the lover . . . one more valuable ally . . . one more person you can throw to the villagers in order to keep them at bay and you out killing one day longer . . . if I'm wrong, I apologize, and I'm sorry, just too much points in your direction . . . | |||
| Time:2005-09-12 01:46:43 GMT Author: Subject:Re: Rule clarification for our GM Link:14007#279223 | Parent:#96 Siblings:(none) Children:#101 #105 |
#98 | |
| Actually, the question is more about WHEN the Afflicted is notified.... immediately after the attack (before the next lynching) or the first night after the attack (after the next round of lynching). That is, in our current game, does the Afflicted now know that they've been turned? | |||
| Time:2005-09-12 05:24:09 GMT Author: Subject:(none) Link:14007#279479 | Parent:(none) Siblings:#1 #2 #3 #4 #5 #7 #19 #35 #44 #49 #54 #58 #70 #75 #76 #77 #81 #90 #91 #93 #108 #115 Children:(none) |
#99 | |
| Unvote Vote | |||
| Time:2005-09-12 06:19:44 GMT Author: Subject:(none) Link:14007#279735 | Parent:#97 Siblings:(none) Children:(none) |
#100 | |
| I said vote with, not vote for. Specifically, I was referring to voting for the same person that | |||
| Time:2005-09-12 15:44:39 GMT Author: Subject:Re: Rule clarification for our GM Link:14007#279991 | Parent:#98 Siblings:#105 Children:(none) |
#101 | |
| The Afflicted is notified immediately. | |||
| Time:2005-09-12 16:28:07 GMT Author: Subject:(none) Link:14007#280503 | Parent:#53 Siblings:#55 Children:#103 #104 |
#102 | |
| I don't buy the "I'm so innocent, I've never played before." Vote Gpeefault!!! | |||
| Time:2005-09-12 17:14:27 GMT Author: Subject:(none) Link:14007#280759 | Parent:#102 Siblings:#104 Children:(none) |
#103 | |
| But I haven't played before. Honest. Opinions as to my innocence are another matter. :-) | |||
| Time:2005-09-12 17:55:40 GMT Author: Subject:(none) Link:14007#281271 | Parent:#102 Siblings:#103 Children:(none) |
#104 | |
| But he isn't going to get lynched today. grilpurple still have the power to swing the vote to tied between herself and It's a small thing, but if you get this in time, I'd recommend moving your vote from her to | |||
| Time:2005-09-12 18:05:57 GMT Author: Subject:Re: Rule clarification for our GM Link:14007#281527 | Parent:#98 Siblings:#101 Children:#106 #107 |
#105 | |
| I believe this is the same timing that | |||
| Time:2005-09-12 18:18:52 GMT Author: Subject:Re: Rule clarification for our GM Link:14007#281783 | Parent:#105 Siblings:#107 Children:(none) |
#106 | |
| Ah, OK. I think I've got it now. Thanks for the clarification on how to read that section. :-) | |||
| Time:2005-09-12 18:24:00 GMT Author: Subject:Re: Rule clarification for our GM Link:14007#282039 | Parent:#105 Siblings:#106 Children:(none) |
#107 | |
| yes, the afflicted is notified immediately that they've turned, the wolves aren't notified until it's time to eat again and another wolf shows up at the dinner table . . . | |||
| Time:2005-09-12 19:07:52 GMT Author: Subject:Lost Lynching.... Link:14007#283063 | Parent:(none) Siblings:#1 #2 #3 #4 #5 #7 #19 #35 #44 #49 #54 #58 #70 #75 #76 #77 #81 #90 #91 #93 #99 #115 Children:#109 |
#108 | |
| Anyone seen a missin' lynchin'? The angry mob is restless... | |||
| Time:2005-09-12 19:31:39 GMT Author: Subject:Re: Lost Lynching.... Link:14007#283319 | Parent:#108 Siblings:(none) Children:#110 #113 |
#109 | |
| hey | |||
| Time:2005-09-12 19:48:20 GMT Author: Subject:Re: Lost Lynching.... Link:14007#283575 | Parent:#109 Siblings:#113 Children:#111 #112 |
#110 | |
| There's two new lj-entries that were created today but none that I can see, and Joel's IM window reports idle from shortly after 11. My guess is that he HAS posted already (once for the lynching results and once for the wolves) and then took off and that there's some filtering problem that's resulted in us villagers with nothing to see and it may or may not apply to the wolf post, too. The only good argument against this theory is that comments to this post aren't screened yet. | |||
| Time:2005-09-12 20:06:47 GMT Author: Subject:Re: Lost Lynching.... Link:14007#283831 | Parent:#110 Siblings:#112 Children:(none) |
#111 | |
| As a watcher I am seeing two position-specific posts, but no 'new day'. Based on the responses to such the game should continue, assuming the innkeeper awakes from his nap. | |||
| Time:2005-09-12 20:12:40 GMT Author: Subject:Re: Lost Lynching.... Link:14007#284087 | Parent:#110 Siblings:#111 Children:(none) |
#112 | |
| Just heard from Amy that he has not yet posted. Just a really busy day at work. | |||
| Time:2005-09-12 21:18:51 GMT Author: Subject:Re: Lost Lynching.... Link:14007#284599 | Parent:#109 Siblings:#110 Children:#114 |
#113 | |
| It's bad enough you all are planning on lynching me, but making me wait like this is just mean! | |||
| Time:2005-09-12 21:28:29 GMT Author: Subject:Re: Lost Lynching.... Link:14007#285111 | Parent:#113 Siblings:(none) Children:(none) |
#114 | |
| I love you, baby. We had a good run. | |||
| Time:2005-09-12 21:30:12 GMT Author: Subject:(none) Link:14007#285367 | Parent:(none) Siblings:#1 #2 #3 #4 #5 #7 #19 #35 #44 #49 #54 #58 #70 #75 #76 #77 #81 #90 #91 #93 #99 #108 Children:(none) |
#115 | |
| Next round, by God, I'm staying single. I need time to myself, people! | |||
| vote | 2005-09-09 19:36:49 GMT | #6 | |||
| vote | 2005-09-09 19:39:48 GMT | #9 | |||
| vote | 2005-09-09 19:54:11 GMT | #22 | |||
| unvote | 2005-09-09 20:26:12 GMT | #34 | |||
| vote | 2005-09-09 20:26:12 GMT | #34 | |||
| vote | 2005-09-09 22:14:49 GMT | #49 | |||
| unvote | 2005-09-09 22:30:10 GMT | #53 | |||
| unvote | 2005-09-09 22:44:56 GMT | #54 | |||
| vote | 2005-09-09 22:44:56 GMT | #54 | |||
| vote | 2005-09-10 17:48:07 GMT | #75 | |||
| unvote | 2005-09-10 18:51:51 GMT | #78 | |||
| vote | 2005-09-10 18:51:51 GMT | #78 | |||
| vote | 2005-09-10 19:51:05 GMT | #79 | |||
| vote | 2005-09-10 20:50:44 GMT | #80 | daedalus | ||
| vote | 2005-09-10 22:15:16 GMT | #81 | |||
| vote | 2005-09-10 22:15:16 GMT | #81 | |||
| unvote | 2005-09-11 01:58:03 GMT | #91 | gpeefault | ||
| vote | 2005-09-11 01:58:03 GMT | #91 | |||
| unvote | 2005-09-11 05:14:35 GMT | #93 | |||
| vote | 2005-09-11 05:14:35 GMT | #93 | |||
| unvote | 2005-09-11 07:13:50 GMT | #95 | |||
| vote | 2005-09-11 07:13:50 GMT | #95 | |||
| unvote | 2005-09-12 05:24:09 GMT | #99 | |||
| vote | 2005-09-12 05:24:09 GMT | #99 | |||
| vote | 2005-09-12 16:28:07 GMT | #102 | gpeefault |
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