millershollow - Day 3

Link:142165 Sat Jan 23 00:17:47 2010

Somewhere in another continent, a dark mage cackled with glee, "I have destroyed the world!!! With the power of my dark computer I have brought about the final destruction of LJ!" Suddenly a sword point appeared through his chest, he gasped and fell down to the ground dead. A cute blonde, looking beat, tired and a bit bloody stood over him, "Not on this slayer's watch, you filthy demon!" she said.

Suddenly far away, across many miles, Millers Hollow blinked back into existence. The townspeople looked stunned like something horrible had happened but were unsure of what. Looking up into the sky they saw that dawn was upon them. They began to do a head count and discovered that two of them were missing.

The first they came across was [info]maniakes. He looked surprised at the sudden blip in and out of the universe. Looking up at the rest of the village, he asked "What just happened?" Suddenly a *KABOOM* broke the morning silence and [info]maniakes's body flew to the left, smashed into a cottage, and crumpled to the ground dead. As he landed glass shattered and strange fluids oozed from his pocket.

The village looked to the right and saw [info]amphitrite27's bleeding form, mauled with savage cuts across it. "You filthy wolf, at least I took you with me." she smiled and then fell to the cobble stone street dead as well.

A hush went over the crowd, as [info]evilben clones arrived, roughly grabbed [info]ragnarok_now and manacled him leading him off to jail.

SUMMARY: [info]amphitrite27 the HUNTER is DEAD!

SUMMARY: [info]maniakes the WITCH is DEAD!

SUMMARY: [info]ragnarok_now is SEQUESTERED!
Time:2007-07-18 22:48:56 GMT
Author:[info]cuddlycthulhu
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#1
...well, that answers why amphitrite voted for herself.


Time:2007-07-18 22:50:47 GMT
Author:[info]rustymaggot
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#2
vote [info]evilben


Time:2007-07-18 22:50:53 GMT
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#3
This is not good!


Time:2007-07-18 22:52:47 GMT
Author:[info]dragonattack
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 #4
I second that.


Time:2007-07-18 22:55:11 GMT
Author:[info]cuddlycthulhu
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#5
Why?


Time:2007-07-18 22:56:29 GMT
Author:[info]cambler
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 #6
Well, crap. I suspect that means the Seer won't be coming out any time soon.


Time:2007-07-18 22:56:51 GMT
Author:[info]cambler
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#7
Yes, vote [info]evilben.


Time:2007-07-18 22:58:44 GMT
Author:[info]lorriet
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 #8
[info]Cambler certainly had that one pegged (amphitrites motives for voting for herself).


Time:2007-07-18 23:03:29 GMT
Author:[info]makellan
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#9
I'm thinking that [info]rustymaggot's use of "if you argue with my logic, you're a wolf" and the random assigning of wolfishness today is far too suspicious.
vote [info]rustymaggot


Time:2007-07-18 23:05:14 GMT
Author:[info]cambler
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#10
I'm not so sure. The very fast vote, above, suggests another possibility.


Time:2007-07-18 23:05:44 GMT
Author:[info]darkjuan
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 #11
wow... the Hunter and the Witch in one stroke! 8o


Time:2007-07-18 23:09:48 GMT
Author:[info]makellan
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#12
[info]evilben is quite suspicious. What's your logic for pegging him?


Time:2007-07-18 23:11:29 GMT
Author:[info]cambler
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#13
The quick vote above me, barring anything else coming up. Think about it.


Time:2007-07-18 23:15:30 GMT
Author:[info]makellan
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#14
He voted quickly with no logic after being so defensive yesterday, even when no one was attacking him. This, to me, is not convincing.


Time:2007-07-18 23:17:43 GMT
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#15
Current summary:

[info]baronlaw
[info]blackbeardin
[info]cambler
[info]chessiekitty
[info]cuddlycthulhu
[info]daedalus4096
[info]darkjuan
[info]devil_engine
[info]dragonattack
[info]evilben
[info]flipperchaz
[info]giantlaser
[info]gorillashaman
[info]hungryandhollow
[info]lorriet
[info]makellan
[info]maniakes
[info]ragnarok_now
[info]rustymaggot
[info]stride

DEAD:
[info]gnatdbug the VILLAGER
[info]slojae the VILLAGER
[info]sonicbunny the VILLAGER
[info]amphitrite27 the HUNTER
[info]myshanter the SERIAL KILLER
[info]maniakes the WITCH


Time:2007-07-18 23:17:57 GMT
Author:[info]hungryandhollow
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#16
vote [info]rustymaggot

his insistence that we try to force a run-off every day makes me extremely suspicious.

p.s. no hunter and no witch, we are so fucked.


Time:2007-07-18 23:20:28 GMT
Author:[info]makellan
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 #17
At least we got rid of the serial killer (even though I voted wrong on that one). That way only one person dies per night now unless a lover is taken out.


Time:2007-07-18 23:20:30 GMT
Author:[info]baronlaw
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#18
Well I didn't really mind having the serial killer killed, I gotta say losing the hunter and witch in one round is against the odds. Plus we have yet to kill a single wolf!

Looking back over those who were killed and their last accusations, I will have to vote once again for [info]hungryandhollow.

Vote [info]hungryandhollow


Time:2007-07-18 23:22:21 GMT
Author:[info]gorillashaman
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#19
Not really.

Traditionally a HUNTER in danger of imminent lynching outs herself. Villagers let this slide, as they know that a false hunter will certainly be targeted by the real hunter.

Although I guess this was so early in the game that it wouldn't have mattered; an outed hunter would almost certainly get eaten in a wolfie effort to get a two-for-one.

I don't think I understand the "hunter votes for herself during tiebreaker" gambit she was trying to play. It didn't seem to be in our best interest. Her best hope would have been to vote for [info]myshanter (which she eventually did) and hope she survived the night (which she didn't).


Time:2007-07-18 23:24:58 GMT
Author:[info]lorriet
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#20
I have no idea where to go, especially with the voting that has happened in this thread already. It runs contrary to what little inklings I had in my head.

Hrm.


Time:2007-07-18 23:26:42 GMT
Author:[info]gorillashaman
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#21
Remaining specials:

four wolves
seer
cupid
sorceror
magistrate
ralph [info]nader
afflicted


Time:2007-07-18 23:27:03 GMT
Author:[info]makellan
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#22
The wolves are being odd. They're taking out the runners up for most suspicious. You'd think they'd leave them alone and let the villagers take them out the following day. Not complaining, but still odd.


Time:2007-07-18 23:28:07 GMT
Author:[info]rustymaggot
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#23
my first idea, was flawed, i admit.

however, i am positive that the "purposeful initial tie" is a benefit to the humans. think about it for a few minutes. we had extra insight twards many people because of that extra 2 hours of debate. the better we get to know eachother the better chance we have of noticing quirks in eachothers behaviour. the wolves want this over quick and easy. the more sessions of voting we go thru the better our real motives will be displayed. look at [info]amphitrite27, we got a better idea of her role during the second voting period.

im sorry to say, but the only people who would oppose what im saying are either stupid, or wolves.

as far as my vote tward [info]evilben, thats just a gut feeling. i would settle for him being lynched, but id rather things end in tie once again so we can see more of everyones behaviour. if i have to change my vote to ensure a initial tie, i will.


Time:2007-07-18 23:28:42 GMT
Author:[info]lorriet
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#24
Except I don't think we would have taken Amphitrite out today. She'd been pretty convincing that she wasn't a wolf, I think. Tough to second guess, though.


Time:2007-07-18 23:29:35 GMT
Author:[info]hungryandhollow
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#25
not a wolf, and if you'd care to present a case against me i shall be happy to rebut it.


Time:2007-07-18 23:31:02 GMT
Author:[info]makellan
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 #26
What were you thinking and why?
We need as many theories as we can get here in hopes of getting a good one.


Time:2007-07-18 23:36:10 GMT
Author:[info]makellan
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#27
I do understand the extra voting, but remember that not everyone can take part in all debates so the benefit is small. In this case, it did tilt things towards a more favorable target so it is something to keep in mind for the future.
I've been suspicious of [info]evilben for a while now, but he's been quiet (likely at work) so it's hard to pin anything on him.
Hmm, posting too much. Bored at work, but about to be silent for a long time.


Time:2007-07-18 23:36:17 GMT
Author:[info]stride
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 #28
And nine villagers. :)


Time:2007-07-18 23:37:32 GMT
Author:[info]baronlaw
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#29
To be honest there were three of us who voted for you on Day 2, myself, [info]Maniakes and [info]Amphitrite27. Two of those were killed and those two were not wolves.

I am just being consistent in my voting, I voted for your last turn based on the Claim Game and until convinced otherwise I think that is justification enough.

Although I am curious about the sudden swing against [info]Evilben and if I see reasons presented there, I can be convinced that maybe he should go this turn.


Time:2007-07-18 23:38:01 GMT
Author:[info]stride
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#30
All things considered, we're nearly back at square one for who to argue over; most of yesterday's discussions are moot with our top 2 suspects dead.


Time:2007-07-18 23:41:29 GMT
Author:[info]rustymaggot
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[info]evilben, as you have said, is suspicious. what further reason should i have? besides, the earlier someone is voted against it seems that they gather momentum and might be lynched. as i have been mominated for lynching, quite early, i fear it will be that much harder to save my own ass.

i want to be lynched before being eaten. if i am lynched that just shows the survivors more of the wolves behaviour. if i am eaten, it shows that my ideas were dangerous and the survivors should listen. i die, its a win/win for the human survivors. someones gotta die anyway, nothing special about me.

what i ask is that if i am going to be lynched, make it a tie for the initial vote, then pile on me in the extended vote if you must. but


Time:2007-07-18 23:42:13 GMT
Author:[info]lorriet
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#32
Right, and none of the arguments from yesterday really help with narrowing things down today, unless I'm missing something. The wolves could have easily just split their votes and sat while the rest of us were tilting at windmills; it was a win-win for them.


Time:2007-07-18 23:50:08 GMT
Author:[info]rustymaggot
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#33
[info]evilben, as you have said, is suspicious. what further reason should i have? besides, the earlier someone is voted against it seems that they gather momentum and might be lynched. as i have been mominated for lynching, quite early, i fear it will be that much harder to save my own ass. however, martyrdom......... maybe.

i want to be lynched before being eaten. if i am lynched that just shows the survivors more of the wolves behaviour. on the other hand if i am eaten, it shows that my ideas were dangerous and the survivors should listen. i die, its a win/win for the human survivors. someones gotta die anyway, nothing special about me.

what i ask is that if i am going to be lynched, make it a tie for the initial vote, then pile on me in the extended vote if you must. MAKE SURE THE INITIAL VOTE ENDS IN A TIE SO WE CAN GATHER MORE INFO. MAKE SURE THE SECOND VOTE IS NOT ANYWHERE NEAR A TIE. WE DONT WANT WOLVES TO HAVE 2 KILLS.

i am not afraid of death, i am afraid of no one listening when i am sure i am right.

i have no illusions about my surviving this game. i know my ass is gonna get lynched or eaten.


Time:2007-07-18 23:51:28 GMT
Author:[info]cuddlycthulhu
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I agree.

On both accounts.

Vote [info]rustymaggot


Time:2007-07-18 23:52:13 GMT
Author:[info]rustymaggot
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 #35
oops, guess i hit post before i was done writing.


Time:2007-07-18 23:53:46 GMT
Author:[info]cuddlycthulhu
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 #36
Which is, I'm guessing, what they want.

At least my vote got the serial killer. *blows smoke away from the barrel of the gun*


Time:2007-07-18 23:53:53 GMT
Author:[info]evilben
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#37
Hey, I defended you yesterday!


Time:2007-07-18 23:55:02 GMT
Author:[info]cambler
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#38
Shhhhhhh.


Time:2007-07-18 23:57:55 GMT
Author:[info]makellan
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#39
Ok, going quiet.
I'm hoping to hop on enough to not be disqualified but I'm getting married to kalanasse this weekend. [info]maniakes and [info]stride will be in the party and can back me up that I'm pretty busy.


Time:2007-07-18 23:57:56 GMT
Author:[info]rustymaggot
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 #40
the wolves, unless really dumb, split up their votes when possible. even vote on eachother to create havoc.


Time:2007-07-19 00:01:29 GMT
Author:[info]cuddlycthulhu
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 #41
*nod* I hope we get to hear an explanation of why she chose the tactic she did. Maybe call it the amphitrite manuever.


Time:2007-07-19 00:01:54 GMT
Author:[info]evilben
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 #42
Not a wolf! Vanilla villager! Again! Jerks! I dare the seer to scan me (which, they undoubtedly already have, they way suspicion against me always friggen gos). Of course, the seer can't actually help me because outing themselves for one villager is suicide.

VOTE [info]rustymaggot

Reasons?
A) I find his arguements and circular logic highly suspicious.
B) Had a crappy day at work and I'm feeling vindictive.


Time:2007-07-19 00:02:39 GMT
Author:[info]dragonattack
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#43
There was really nothing to defend him from... I was just putting out one tidbit on the serial killer, and it went all out of proportion. Which, fortunately, ended in the death of the serial killer.

You've been helpful, but there are lots of fingers pointed at you. I voted for you yesterday to throw my vote away, then figured it was a poor call. Give us some rationale to go off, or it looks like it might be your turn...


Time:2007-07-19 00:04:35 GMT
Author:[info]evilben
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 #44
Bingo, Don't got one of those fancy Internet accessable jobs.


Time:2007-07-19 00:09:35 GMT
Author:[info]evilben
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 #45
My reasoning? One less villager screws the town even more.


Time:2007-07-19 00:10:04 GMT
Author:[info]daedalus4096
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#46
I'm sorry, but I've had quite enough of your tie-forcing ways. Maybe you're an innocent villager who just favors dangerous tactics. More likely: you're a wolf. Either way, ties are too dangerous to play around with. Even if they do give us some useful information (which I'm not sold on to begin with), the chance that four wolves could manipulate a tie in the runoff and get a double kill is just too great.

If you'd like to change your ways, then I'll reconsider, but for now I vote [info]rustymaggot.


Time:2007-07-19 00:10:40 GMT
Author:[info]evilben
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#47
why "shhhhhh"? it's accessable for anyone to read.


Time:2007-07-19 00:13:09 GMT
Author:[info]cambler
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#48
I know. Shhhhhh.


Time:2007-07-19 00:13:37 GMT
Author:[info]daedalus4096
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#49
Losing the witch and hunter hurt, but I don't think we're as bad off as you think. There are still 16 non-wolves (15 if you don't count the Sorcerer), and with the serial killer gone we only lose one a night now. Plus, we still have the Seer. This game is still very winnable.


Time:2007-07-19 00:16:14 GMT
Author:[info]gorillashaman
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 #50
Discouraging discussion by accusing those who oppose you of automatically being dumb or wolves seems wolfy to me.

Forcing ties and encouraging others to do the same also seems wolfie to me; you run the risk of timing slips causing an overtime tie (look at how day two ended) allowing the wolves two kills during the night. This risk comes at only a marginal gain of having a "better chance of noticing quirks in eachothers behavior". Seems like a high cost for a nebulous benefit. I'm not buying the idea that you were any less surprised than anybody else when [info]amphitrite27's role was revealed.

Not to mention your early vote without explanation.

vote [info]rustymaggot


Time:2007-07-19 00:22:15 GMT
Author:[info]evilben
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#51
uh, WTF?

Are you trying to look suspicious? are you trying to make me look so? Because you're doing a pretty good job of it, either way.


Time:2007-07-19 00:23:27 GMT
Author:[info]cambler
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 #52
Someone else is talking about you. I'd rather let them finish first. It's in your best interest, too.

So... shhhhh. I'm not a doof.


Time:2007-07-19 00:27:41 GMT
Author:[info]creepyduck
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#53
quack! Evil Ben Snacks! quack!


Time:2007-07-19 01:02:32 GMT
Author:[info]evilben
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 #54
You've had enough! I'm having the Mayor put you on a diet. All this fried food is bad for you.


Time:2007-07-19 01:11:07 GMT
Author:[info]stride
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 #55
Well, we did say that we wanted to have a game where none of the specials could come out and we figured out the wolves by process of elimination...


Time:2007-07-19 01:26:30 GMT
Author:[info]rustymaggot
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#56
some of you say that my tactic of the purposeful initial tie is dangerous. i say it is a completely sane tactic. it is worth losing an extra villager once to gain knowledge. we can learn more in a shorter length of time even if the wolves get two kills. i dont think theres much chance of the wolves getting that second tie anyway.

it appears that ill be lynched next. so be it. when it is proven that i am just a plain villager, i ask that the remaining villagers kill those who voted on me.

do not abandon the initial tie, itis a valuable learning tool. i still maintain that only a fool, or a wolf, cannot see this. when i am dead, and proven a villager, LOOK AT THE MOST INTELLEGENT PLAYERS WHO OPPOSE MY TACTIC,THEY SHOULD BE LYNCHED AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.



Time:2007-07-19 01:54:59 GMT
Author:[info]rustymaggot
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#57
but if they did manipulate it for a second tie, would you have trouble picking out the wolves who forced the second tie? i think that info would be very valuable. worth the death of one more villager.

besides, its even a smaller risk since in any lynching its what, a 1 in 4 chance of lynching a wolf and 3 out of 4 chance of lynching a villager.

if we are probably going to lynch a villager anyway, its worth the slight risk to have an initial tie to be able to learn more about everyone.

i wont be changing my tactic, your going to have to lynch me.

why not play it safe and help me get the initial tie? you can always kill me in the extended voting session. at least you will get more time to debate, and more insight into the remaining players.



Time:2007-07-19 02:11:22 GMT
Author:[info]darkjuan
Subject:(none)
Link:142165#2109013

Parent:(none)
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Children:#60
#58
Ok...

VOTE [info]rustymaggot due to the fact that he wants the people who voted for him dead.


Time:2007-07-19 02:51:36 GMT
Author:[info]chirpy_cricket
Subject:(none)
Link:142165#2109269

Parent:(none)
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Children:#105
#59
*chirp* *chirp* *chirp*


Time:2007-07-19 02:51:38 GMT
Author:[info]rustymaggot
Subject:(none)
Link:142165#2109525

Parent:#58
Siblings:(none)
Children:#64
#60
why do you object for my asking for the death of my accusers? how many of the ones voting against me do you think are human? are you human?


Time:2007-07-19 03:13:59 GMT
Author:[info]rustymaggot
Subject:(none)
Link:142165#2109781

Parent:#20
Siblings:#26
Children:(none)
 #61
id say vote against [info]evilben, work tward the tie. they are going to kill me no matter what i say so might as well get the tie and get an extra voting session to learn as much as you can about the enemy.

in fact, i urge others who intend, or have already voted against me to change the vote to get the tie. they can finish me off in the extended voting if they really think i need to go. and at this point, i think its pretty sealed. im getting lynched.

tomorrow when it comes out that i was human, remember who pushed for me to be killed.



Time:2007-07-19 03:20:37 GMT
Author:[info]hungryandhollow
Subject:(none)
Link:142165#2110037

Parent:#49
Siblings:#55
Children:(none)
 #62
i don't think it's the end by any means, but I feel like both are incredibly valuable in end-game, so it may hurt us later.


Time:2007-07-19 03:21:14 GMT
Author:[info]hungryandhollow
Subject:(none)
Link:142165#2110293

Parent:#29
Siblings:(none)
Children:#80
#63
Are we STILL on about the claim game? :P but fair enough.


Time:2007-07-19 03:23:59 GMT
Author:[info]dragonattack
Subject:(none)
Link:142165#2110549

Parent:#60
Siblings:(none)
Children:#72
#64
I think that, at this point, by sheer numbers, that most of the people accusing you are human. If all 4 werewolves were against you, you'd still have 3 villagers. You're simply being confrontational, and have seemed to want to bring rigidity to the game at every turn. Flexibility is the biggest advantage we have as humans. If you can perhaps give a compelling argument, I'd love to vote for someone else, because I honestly believe you're not a wolf. But at the same time, I also have no idea who is, and it will be hard to get the people who are voting for you to switch without compelling evidence. (Yeah, I kinda have played a little too much Pheonix Wright lately... compelling evidence on the brain.) I'd love you to change my mind, but for now, I VOTE [info]RUSTYMAGGOT. As I've said before, and illustrated... I'm willing to change my vote, but I just want a target better than "I said so."


Time:2007-07-19 03:27:19 GMT
Author:[info]hungryandhollow
Subject:(none)
Link:142165#2110805

Parent:#56
Siblings:#66 #86 #96
Children:#69
#65
I have yet to see you address this simple problem with your tactic:

FOUR WOLVES CAN EASILY SWING A RUN-OFF TO THE NON-WOLF CANDIDATE.

Response?


Time:2007-07-19 03:29:02 GMT
Author:[info]evilben
Subject:(none)
Link:142165#2111061

Parent:#56
Siblings:#65 #86 #96
Children:(none)
 #66
Remember dude, you drew first blood. You voted me then started accusing everyone who doesn't agree with you silly little wolf-friendly plan. I shall name that plan "Claim Game 2."

I may not have even gone against you had you not dragged me into this baselessly. I had other people higher on my "shifty" list.

Your tactic of bullying and insulting is good for a wolf (or wolf ally, remember the sorceror), but odd for a villager.


Time:2007-07-19 03:32:12 GMT
Author:[info]hungryandhollow
Subject:(none)
Link:142165#2111317

Parent:#23
Siblings:#27 #50
Children:(none)
 #67
Calling those who disagree "stupid" only reveals your own lack of truly understanding the issue. The problem is NOT that the four wolves force a second tie. It goes like this.

Our run-off candidates are Wolf and Villager. Going in, the village is evenly split. Then Wolf 2, 3, and 4 bandwagon the Villager. If even ONE of them is a convincing, experienced player, and with the other 2 following that one's lead, the entire village votes against the Villager and the Wolf goes free. Now yes, this CAN happen during the normal daytime vote, but because we have more time AND more options, it is much more difficult to trick the entire village.

To use your own phrase, anyone who doesn't understand the dangers of a tie vote is either a wolf or stupid.


Time:2007-07-19 03:39:43 GMT
Author:[info]hungryandhollow
Subject:(none)
Link:142165#2111573

Parent:(none)
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Children:(none)
 #68
I'd just like to summarize some things i said buried in comment trees above.

1) I think [info]rustymaggot's defense of the tied-vote idea is extremely suspicious.

2) I'd have yet to hear an argument against the theory that, in a tie situation, the wolves have a much easier time getting people to bandwagon the target THEY want lynched (which I think most villagers would agree with).

3) We've seen in every previous game that the way for villagers to win is through cooperating and adapting to the situations as they come. Even if he's just a villager with a radically different playstyle, [info]rustymaggot's my-way-or-the-highway style threatens that.

4) Don't waste your time voting for [info]evilben, I'll damn near guarantee he was one of the first people the Seer checked, thanks to his constantly being one of the first suspects. We'll find out about him soon enough, one way or the other.


Time:2007-07-19 04:01:37 GMT
Author:[info]rustymaggot
Subject:(none)
Link:142165#2111829

Parent:#65
Siblings:(none)
Children:#70
#69
4 wolves can swing a vote even without the runoff. but they have all day to do it. during the second voting session they have 2 hours to do it. easier to see paterns in the shorter timeframe.



Time:2007-07-19 04:04:05 GMT
Author:[info]hungryandhollow
Subject:(none)
Link:142165#2112085

Parent:#69
Siblings:(none)
Children:#71
#70
Easier to be swayed when you only have 2 hours at the MOST to consider the arguments.


Time:2007-07-19 04:26:55 GMT
Author:[info]rustymaggot
Subject:(none)
Link:142165#2112341

Parent:#70
Siblings:(none)
Children:#73
#71
the person swaying the vote would have to work harder during that shorter timewouldnt they? it will be easier to notice suspicious behaviour.

my belief is that when we have one voting session we gather x amount of intel. then we lose one to the wolves. with the tie we get two sessions of voting with more behavior to witness and the wolves only get to eat one person. we get to witness more and it only costs us the one person per night that the wolves get regardless. i think its worth the risk. specially since the wolves would have to swing the vote really hard to get a second tie. it would end up pretty obvious if they did that and that info would be worth the extra kill they got. our odds arent that great as it is. we have what, a 1 in 4 chance of getting a wolf with our lynching( approx)? we have a great chance of lynching a human anyway. its worth the risk.


Time:2007-07-19 04:27:40 GMT
Author:[info]rustymaggot
Subject:(none)
Link:142165#2112597

Parent:#64
Siblings:(none)
Children:#81
#72
you honestly believe im not a wolf but are voting against me anyway? great tactic. throw that vote away.



Time:2007-07-19 04:28:51 GMT
Author:[info]hungryandhollow
Subject:(none)
Link:142165#2112853

Parent:#71
Siblings:(none)
Children:#74 #75
#73
The second tie isn't even an issue. It's extremely impractical. The problem is that people have two hours at most - for most people, I'd guess maybe 15-20 minutes of actual reading/thinking time - to make their decisions. As opposed to a full night, when everyone has time to think it over and present their side of an argument, a run-off makes it too easy to bum-rush someone.


Time:2007-07-19 04:33:23 GMT
Author:[info]rustymaggot
Subject:(none)
Link:142165#2113109

Parent:#73
Siblings:#75
Children:#76
#74
so your saying that in that rush mistakes will be made? would that not give the rest of us more to go on?


Time:2007-07-19 04:35:43 GMT
Author:[info]rustymaggot
Subject:(none)
Link:142165#2113365

Parent:#73
Siblings:#74
Children:(none)
 #75
and said bums rush will be there for us to pick over the next day. i see it as an extra opportunity for the wolves to slip up.


Time:2007-07-19 04:38:38 GMT
Author:[info]hungryandhollow
Subject:(none)
Link:142165#2113621

Parent:#74
Siblings:(none)
Children:#77
#76
In that rush, the villagers will be more prone to mistakes of judgment and lynch the wrong person. The wolves, since they know who the other wolves are, do not face those same errors of judgment. In the best-case scenario, the wolves simply carry on as usual and we've wasted two hours on nothing. In the worst-case scenario, the wolves manipulate us into voting for the wrong person. We already have 21 hours of the day to gather data, are those extra two significant enough to risk lynching a villager? I don't think so, especially because the amount of data we get from those two hours just isn't all that much.

Frankly, at first I could have been convinced to try it if there were solid arguments, but by now I'm just sick of hearing how I'm stupid if I don't agree with your theory - a theory which I don't see much support for, and which I think is designed to benefit the wolves.


Time:2007-07-19 04:41:10 GMT
Author:[info]rustymaggot
Subject:(none)
Link:142165#2113877

Parent:#76
Siblings:(none)
Children:#78
#77
how does it benefit the wolves?


Time:2007-07-19 04:43:40 GMT
Author:[info]hungryandhollow
Subject:(none)
Link:142165#2114133

Parent:#77
Siblings:(none)
Children:#79
#78
/sigh

It benefits the wolves by giving them that two-hour window during which we can be more easily manipulated. I've said that like 10 times.


Time:2007-07-19 04:47:47 GMT
Author:[info]rustymaggot
Subject:(none)
Link:142165#2114389

Parent:#78
Siblings:(none)
Children:#83
#79
the more manipulating the wolves do the more inconsistencies come out, the faster we can spot them.

you dont have to debate with me. just lynch me and be done with me.



Time:2007-07-19 04:49:33 GMT
Author:[info]baronlaw
Subject:(none)
Link:142165#2114645

Parent:#63
Siblings:(none)
Children:(none)
 #80
Point me in a different direction. *shrug*


Time:2007-07-19 04:50:55 GMT
Author:[info]dragonattack
Subject:(none)
Link:142165#2114901

Parent:#72
Siblings:(none)
Children:#85
#81
And leading a suicide charge by yourself is a better tactic? In my opinion, you've wasted all the opportunities we had today. There's really no chance to gather information, as everyone is simply put out by your confrontational and unorthodox playstyle. I can see the intensity behind your words, and most of what you're saying has merit, but you're too far on a lot of the issues. In essence, it looks to me like the werewolves get a free kill, and the villagers are going to have to be ok with that. Unless you come up with an alternative people will get behind, we're just going to let today slip, and worry about getting munched on tonight.


Time:2007-07-19 04:53:43 GMT
Author:[info]dragonattack
Subject:(none)
Link:142165#2115157

Parent:(none)
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Children:#84 #89 #91 #97 #100
#82
Once again, the observation of the missing:

[info]Giantlaser (and with the timezone difference, it's understandable, but the mention is still necessary), [info]Devil_engine, [info]Blackbeardin, and [info]Flipperchaz.

Where are you folks? What do you have to say?


Time:2007-07-19 04:58:37 GMT
Author:[info]hungryandhollow
Subject:(none)
Link:142165#2115413

Parent:#79
Siblings:(none)
Children:(none)
 #83
You apparently believe that we can spot the manipulating that takes place in those two hours. Having witnessed the manipulating of villagers many times before, I am doubtful. It would take multiple days to discover a pattern, and therefore would require multiple dead villagers. But fine, be a martyr if you like.


Time:2007-07-19 05:00:56 GMT
Author:[info]flipperchaz
Subject:(none)
Link:142165#2115669

Parent:#82
Siblings:#89 #91 #97 #100
Children:(none)
 #84
Still at work, actually. And still considering which way to go here. For now, I [info]abstain.


Time:2007-07-19 05:41:39 GMT
Author:[info]rustymaggot
Subject:(none)
Link:142165#2115925

Parent:#81
Siblings:(none)
Children:#88
#85
you wasted your own opportunities. i was chosen as an enemy, by piling onto me and wasting your time. wasting your votes. unless i come up with a plan? why didnt you go after someone you suspected? afraid the others will oppose you like they have done to me? i voted early and people start piling on me because that looks suspicious.

no one is going to get behind me. im an asshole.

if you really believe i am not a wolf then lead the charge and save me. if you believe my tactic would help, then use it. convince others. yesterday we almost lynched the wrong person. my tactic helped us reconsider. we got to know eachother better and we made a better decision. the wolves know my tactic is sound. thats why i have been met with such opposition. my tactic works, at least its worked so far, the wolves want to squash that as fast as possible. i say again, look at the most intellegent players who are opposing my tactic. when i am dead, and it comes out that i was a villager, those are the ones to watch. it is unfortunate that the wolves have convinced so many that i am wrong. it makes the job of sorting things out harder. tomorrow morning i will post my last thoughts before getting lynched. one of my suspicions might be worth getting people behind. until then, watch what happens and use that knowledge. yes, today was a huge waste, but we did get to see alot of opinions and behaviour from those who disagree with me. hopefully somthing good will come of this.



Time:2007-07-19 05:58:53 GMT
Author:[info]chessiekitty
Subject:(none)
Link:142165#2116181

Parent:#56
Siblings:#65 #66 #96
Children:(none)
 #86
There is also the very real possibility that if one of the person tied is a wolf that all three of the other wolves will vote against that person, so they can claim they can't possibly be wolves since they voted against a wolf. I think regular villagers would be more flustered and make more poor decisions in a run off than the wolves would.


Time:2007-07-19 06:09:33 GMT
Author:[info]chessiekitty
Subject:(none)
Link:142165#2116437

Parent:(none)
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Children:#92
#87
Sucky about losing the hunter and the witch.

I still don't trust Daedalus or [info]Giantlaser. [info]Gorillashaman has moved up on my list of suspects. [info]Rustymaggot has also moved into my radar. For now Vote [info]Rustymaggot

Because I really think the forcing a tie is a bad idea, as it can be too easily manipulated by the wolves. And I just get a "feeling".

There are three possibilities with a tie.
1. Two villagers
2. Two wolves
3. Wolf and Villager

In case 1 it doesn't matter who gets lynched, the wolves are happy, a villager dies.

Case 2, there's nothing that can be done, the wolves are going to lose one of their number. But... probably villagers will think of the other wolf as a villager, since it's unlikely to get a tie between two wolves.

Case 3, If the three other wolves simply sacrifice the tied wolf, then they look more like villagers than wolves.

So really, I don't see how forcing a tie helps anyone but the wolves.


Time:2007-07-19 06:34:34 GMT
Author:[info]gorillashaman
Subject:(none)
Link:142165#2116693

Parent:#85
Siblings:(none)
Children:(none)
 #88
look at the most intellegent players who are opposing my tactic

You keep saying this. It baffles me.

If everything you say is true, and the most intelligent people opposing you are wolves, wouldn't they be smart enough not to expose themselves by opposing you?


Time:2007-07-19 07:29:39 GMT
Author:[info]blackbeardin
Subject:(none)
Link:142165#2116949

Parent:#82
Siblings:#84 #91 #97 #100
Children:(none)
 #89
I can't think of anything that hasn't already been said. I don't really like [info]rustymaggot's idea but I'm not really sure he's a wolf. I think I [info]abstain for the time being.


Time:2007-07-19 08:06:45 GMT
Author:[info]daedalus4096
Subject:(none)
Link:142165#2117205

Parent:#57
Siblings:(none)
Children:(none)
 #90
I disagree, and remain convinced that you're a wolf. See you on the chopping block. :)


Time:2007-07-19 08:38:17 GMT
Author:[info]giantlaser
Subject:(none)
Link:142165#2117461

Parent:#82
Siblings:#84 #89 #97 #100
Children:(none)
 #91
The timezone difference alone isn't usually a problem. The problem is that the Days and Nights seem to be much later than they were in previous games. I'm 8 hours ahead of you, but I seem to remember games starting at 10 or 11 am PST in the past. That gave me a few hours to play in my evening. Now, days run at 1pm PST, which means 9pm my time. I didn't notice this for the first two days and so ran late on my votes. I guess I'll start hitting reload at 21:00 tonight.


Time:2007-07-19 08:40:30 GMT
Author:[info]giantlaser
Subject:(none)
Link:142165#2117717

Parent:#87
Siblings:(none)
Children:#95
#92
I don't trust [info]hungryandhollow, [info]rustymaggot, or [info]makellan. They've all been vocal about their accusations, which draws suspicion faster than the quiet players such as myself.


Time:2007-07-19 08:41:29 GMT
Author:[info]giantlaser
Subject:(none)
Link:142165#2117973

Parent:(none)
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Children:(none)
 #93
I [info]abstain

[info]rustymaggot is doomed anyway, but I'm not convinced he's a wolf. And I don't want to be part of a dogpile that cannot be reversed if I'm not reading near the end of the day.


Time:2007-07-19 12:41:58 GMT
Author:[info]chessiekitty
Subject:(none)
Link:142165#2118229

Parent:(none)
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Children:(none)
 #94
For the record, I am sure at least one wolf, probably a new player, is laying low and being quiet, or at least posting short, non-accusatory type posts.


Time:2007-07-19 14:14:38 GMT
Author:[info]hungryandhollow
Subject:(none)
Link:142165#2118741

Parent:#92
Siblings:(none)
Children:(none)
 #95
someone's got to be vocal, and that's a sacrifice i'm willing to make this game.


Time:2007-07-19 14:29:37 GMT
Author:[info]lorriet
Subject:(none)
Link:142165#2118997

Parent:#56
Siblings:#65 #66 #86
Children:(none)
 #96
I'm curious as to what you think was learned, what extra information we got, about the wolves during the run-off vote yesterday?

There was more conversation, but the people we were talking about are now dead. So, what did we gain by the tie?

I was willing to risk it yesterday, but I don't think it is a valid tactic anymore.


Time:2007-07-19 14:56:14 GMT
Author:[info]devil_engine
Subject:(none)
Link:142165#2119253

Parent:#82
Siblings:#84 #89 #91 #100
Children:(none)
 #97
I'm military and had to stand duty (mid watch) so I was catching up on sleep most of the day. I'm catching up here shortly


Time:2007-07-19 14:57:31 GMT
Author:[info]devil_engine
Subject:(none)
Link:142165#2119509

Parent:(none)
Siblings:#1 #2 #3 #6 #8 #9 #11 #15 #16 #18 #20 #22 #39 #42 #56 #58 #59 #68 #82 #87 #93 #94 #99 #102 #104 #110
Children:(none)
 #98
vote [info]rustymaggot

The whole forcing a tie is entirely too suspicious


Time:2007-07-19 16:14:48 GMT
Author:[info]cuddlycthulhu
Subject:Rules Clarification:
Link:142165#2120789

Parent:(none)
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Children:#101
#99
Starting tomorrow at about ten I'll be away from a computer camping.

Is it possible to set up a vote in advance or must I be present at the time in order to vote?


Time:2007-07-19 16:43:54 GMT
Author:[info]dragonattack
Subject:(none)
Link:142165#2121301

Parent:#82
Siblings:#84 #89 #91 #97
Children:(none)
 #100
I totally understand the fact that real life comes first. I'm still really excited about this game, and I appreciate the fact that everyone's still putting in at least a bit, as much as they can.


Time:2007-07-19 16:52:32 GMT
Author:[info]stride
Subject:Re: Rules Clarification:
Link:142165#2121557

Parent:#99
Siblings:(none)
Children:(none)
 #101
You should be able to talk to [info]millershollow via email to set something up.


Time:2007-07-19 17:03:55 GMT
Author:[info]lorriet
Subject:(none)
Link:142165#2121813

Parent:(none)
Siblings:#1 #2 #3 #6 #8 #9 #11 #15 #16 #18 #20 #22 #39 #42 #56 #58 #59 #68 #82 #87 #93 #94 #98 #99 #104 #110
Children:#103 #106 #107
#102
Well, crap. I just don't know. I don't think [info]rustymaggot is a wolf, though his doom seems inevitable at this point. It just seems like he was intentionally putting himself on the chopping block. I just hope it's not a situation like amphitrite that could lose us another villager, or worse.

[info]Makellan and [info]evilben seem suspicious to me. [info]Cambler, too.

For now, I'll VOTE [info]Makellan, even though it seems the dogpile (mostly self-inflicted) is on [info]rustymaggot.


Time:2007-07-19 17:11:08 GMT
Author:[info]cambler
Subject:(none)
Link:142165#2122069

Parent:#102
Siblings:#106 #107
Children:#108
#103
How can I seem suspicious? I've voted with the mod and even hinted at something that would be villager-beneficial!


Time:2007-07-19 17:11:15 GMT
Author:[info]rustymaggot
Subject:(none)
Link:142165#2122325

Parent:(none)
Siblings:#1 #2 #3 #6 #8 #9 #11 #15 #16 #18 #20 #22 #39 #42 #56 #58 #59 #68 #82 #87 #93 #94 #98 #99 #102 #110
Children:#111
#104
i have little new to say exept to leave a list of who id lynch first.

daedalus
[info]gorillashaman
[info]makellan

to a lesser degree i still suspect [info]hungryandhollow and [info]evilben.

i agree that at least one wolf is keeping quiet.





Time:2007-07-19 17:11:21 GMT
Author:[info]creepyduck
Subject:(none)
Link:142165#2122581

Parent:#59
Siblings:(none)
Children:(none)
 #105
quack!

*the [info]duck looks over at the cricket, licks its bill, and begins to silently in its rabbit skin slippers stalk the poor insect*


Time:2007-07-19 17:11:22 GMT
Author:[info]cuddlycthulhu
Subject:(none)
Link:142165#2122837

Parent:#102
Siblings:#103 #107
Children:(none)
 #106
I agree with you on [info]Makellan and [info]Cambler, but my hunch was right on the serial killer, and I think rustmaggot's behavior is suspect.


Time:2007-07-19 17:16:31 GMT
Author:[info]rustymaggot
Subject:(none)
Link:142165#2123349

Parent:#102
Siblings:#103 #106
Children:(none)
 #107

your only losing a villager. i am not a special.




Time:2007-07-19 17:17:21 GMT
Author:[info]lorriet
Subject:(none)
Link:142165#2123605

Parent:#103
Siblings:(none)
Children:#109
#108
Well, obviously not so suspicious that I voted for you.

Your quick vote for [info]evilben seemed odd, but then, when [info]rustymaggot went off the deep end, that sort of changed my perception. I realize that all of my suspicions are not compatible with each other.

I don't know that we really have much more info to go on than we did on day 1, so I take my hunches with a grain of salt...well, [info]makellan's got two grains, since I had to vote for someone.


Time:2007-07-19 17:19:42 GMT
Author:[info]cambler
Subject:(none)
Link:142165#2123861

Parent:#108
Siblings:(none)
Children:(none)
 #109
My theory should be confirmed or denied after today's lynching anyway. And then I'll elaborate.


Time:2007-07-19 17:21:06 GMT
Author:[info]stride
Subject:(none)
Link:142165#2124117

Parent:(none)
Siblings:#1 #2 #3 #6 #8 #9 #11 #15 #16 #18 #20 #22 #39 #42 #56 #58 #59 #68 #82 #87 #93 #94 #98 #99 #102 #104
Children:(none)
 #110
Okay. Finally had a chance to catch up on all the reading:

1) Yay for us for lynching the Serial Killer

2) If the SEER is a new player, please scan [info]EvilBen - it's a long story.

3) Even though I will be in [info]makellan's wedding this weekend, I'm still highly suspicious of him. If he turns fuzzy and toothy during the ceremony, I'll stab him. Promise. ;)

4) I'm still uncertain about [info]rustymaggot and will be reviewing data.

5) That said, I vote [info]makellan until coffee wakes my brain and I can reread all of yesterday's posts.


Time:2007-07-19 17:25:17 GMT
Author:[info]daedalus4096
Subject:(none)
Link:142165#2124629

Parent:#104
Siblings:(none)
Children:(none)
 #111
I'll take your suspicion as a compliment, considering that you want to lynch the "most intelligent" people who disagree with you. I'm still going to lynch you on suspicion of wolfiness, but I appreciate it anyway. :)


Time:2007-07-19 17:29:14 GMT
Author:[info]lorriet
Subject:(none)
Link:142165#2125141

Parent:#39
Siblings:(none)
Children:(none)
 #112
Hey wolfy, tell your lovely fiancée that I sent my best wishes! Congratulations! :)


Vote History
[info]rustymaggotvote[info]evilben2007-07-18 22:50:47 GMT#2
[info]camblervote[info]evilben2007-07-18 22:56:51 GMT#7
[info]makellanvote[info]rustymaggot2007-07-18 23:03:29 GMT#9
[info]hungryandhollowvote[info]rustymaggot2007-07-18 23:17:57 GMT#16
[info]baronlawvote[info]hungryandhollow2007-07-18 23:20:30 GMT#18
[info]cuddlycthulhuvote[info]rustymaggot2007-07-18 23:51:28 GMT#34
[info]evilbenvote[info]rustymaggot2007-07-19 00:01:54 GMT#42
[info]daedalus4096vote[info]rustymaggot2007-07-19 00:10:04 GMT#46
[info]gorillashamanvote[info]rustymaggot2007-07-19 00:16:14 GMT#50
[info]darkjuanvote[info]rustymaggot2007-07-19 02:11:22 GMT#58
[info]dragonattackvote[info]rustymaggot2007-07-19 03:23:59 GMT#64
[info]flipperchazvote[info]abstain2007-07-19 05:00:56 GMT#84
[info]chessiekittyvote[info]rustymaggot2007-07-19 06:09:33 GMT#87
[info]blackbeardinvote[info]abstain2007-07-19 07:29:39 GMT#89
[info]giantlaservote[info]abstain2007-07-19 08:41:29 GMT#93
[info]devil_enginevote[info]rustymaggot2007-07-19 14:57:31 GMT#98
[info]lorrietvote[info]makellan2007-07-19 17:03:55 GMT#102
[info]stridevote[info]makellan2007-07-19 17:21:06 GMT#110
Vote Summary
10 against[info]rustymaggot:[info]devil_engine [info]evilben [info]cuddlycthulhu [info]daedalus4096 [info]darkjuan [info]dragonattack [info]chessiekitty [info]gorillashaman [info]makellan [info]hungryandhollow
3 against[info]abstain:[info]flipperchaz [info]blackbeardin [info]giantlaser
2 against[info]evilben:[info]rustymaggot [info]cambler
2 against[info]makellan:[info]lorriet [info]stride
1 against[info]hungryandhollow:[info]baronlaw
Posted but no vote:[info]chirpy_cricket [info]creepyduck
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