raversofbrc - [everyone] Third Night

Link:9132 Sat Jan 23 00:21:54 2010

The day passes slowly, and you sleep fitfully, as you anxiously await the next arrest. You are jarred awake by a terrible cacaphony of sirens, and peek out of your tent to see

parzanese standing outside of his RV. He gives off the impression that he's almost EXPECTING to get arrested.

Sure enough, the LEOs roll in, jump out of their vehicles, spin him around, and push him up against the side of the RV.

"Wait! I can explain!", he yells, but his complaints fall on deaf ears.

Jeeves comes out of the RV, and is apprehended as well. The

duck makes loud quacking noises and disappears in a ball of confusion and flying white feathers, too small and too fast to be caught.

"Umm, sir?" says

Jeeves as he is pushed into a patrol car.

"You idiots! I've been working on this bust for weeks!" exclaims

parzanese.

"You're a cop? Right... And I'm the Queen of the May.", says the arresting officer, as he unceremoniously shoves

parzanese into the patrol car. Another officer can be seen wrapping the RV in yellow "crime scene" tape.

Nearly an hour passes, and

Jeeves returns, cuts the yellow tape, and climbs into the RV. The engine starts, and

Jeeves drives off into the setting sun.

As the sky darkens, Danger Ranger appears. "Holy shit," he says, "Did they ever fuck that one up! Good work kids, we've almost got 'em all now."

SUMMARY: parzanese the NARC has been mistakenly arrested. His cover is blown. Lynching discussion begins here. Don't forget the official vote tally is at http://cuddlepuddle.org/~adam/lj_games

	Time:2005-09-21 21:11:36 GMT Author:kraydon Subject:(none) Link:9132#112556	Parent:(none) Siblings:#3 #5 #13 #16 #18 #19 #28 #38 #45 #52 #55 #56 #58 #60 #61 #62 #64 #66 #68 #70 #72 #74 #78 #79 #81 Children:#2 #14	#1
	Hot damn. And I was ready to give parzanese full clear because he was the first one to jump all over airor. Do the NARCs not have any telephathy with each other at all?! I mean, they don't know who they are either?

	Time:2005-09-21 21:14:18 GMT Author:raversofbrc Subject:(none) Link:9132#112812	Parent:#1 Siblings:#14 Children:#4	#2
	The NARCs know who the other NARCs are.

	Time:2005-09-21 21:15:03 GMT Author:princeofwands Subject:(none) Link:9132#113068	Parent:(none) Siblings:#1 #5 #13 #16 #18 #19 #28 #38 #45 #52 #55 #56 #58 #60 #61 #62 #64 #66 #68 #70 #72 #74 #78 #79 #81 Children:#6 #10	#3
	Okay - I'll start the discussion... what the hell does that mean... How did the NARCS gang up and arrest parzanese, as a NARC? Or can we interpret this as a "no-kill" by the NARCS, but a poising by the CHEMIST. /me wanders off to re-re-read all of the character descriptions and special properties.

	Time:2005-09-21 21:15:15 GMT Author:kraydon Subject:(none) Link:9132#113324	Parent:#2 Siblings:(none) Children:#9	#4
	I guess I need to check that juice I just drank. Can someone explain (in small words for my addled brain) what just happened?!

	Time:2005-09-21 21:16:14 GMT Author:amphitrite27 Subject:(none) Link:9132#113580	Parent:(none) Siblings:#1 #3 #13 #16 #18 #19 #28 #38 #45 #52 #55 #56 #58 #60 #61 #62 #64 #66 #68 #70 #72 #74 #78 #79 #81 Children:#7	#5
	so this is a crazy game so far. the K9 and two NARCs are gone. Leaving one original NARC and the SNITCH who was probably turned last night. right?

	Time:2005-09-21 21:16:43 GMT Author:amphitrite27 Subject:(none) Link:9132#114092	Parent:#3 Siblings:#10 Children:(none)	#6
	i think it was the chemist.....

	Time:2005-09-21 21:18:43 GMT Author:princeofwands Subject:(none) Link:9132#114604	Parent:#5 Siblings:(none) Children:#8 #15 #20	#7
	and remember that just because parzanese was a NARC doesn't mean that the NINJA's claim entry actually was about him and there's no way to know. joelzero and ilovetequila claim to be plain old RAVERS with no possibility of proof.

	Time:2005-09-21 21:20:14 GMT Author:amphitrite27 Subject:(none) Link:9132#115116	Parent:#7 Siblings:#15 #20 Children:#11	#8
	plus the SNITCH was tuned, still leaving us with two, one of whom, if ninja'd would have showed raver. but still not bad for a bunch of hippies

	Time:2005-09-21 21:20:56 GMT Author:princeofwands Subject:(none) Link:9132#115372	Parent:#4 Siblings:(none) Children:#22	#9
	In captain dummy talk, I agree with the later speculation, the NARCS grabbed the SNITCH, and the CHEMIST popped parzanese who really was a narc anyway. The only other interpretation I can imagine is that parzanese really was a NARC, and the now only remaining NARC browbeat him into submission and the both voted against him. Wow would that be dumb.

	Time:2005-09-21 21:23:24 GMT Author:joelzero Subject:(none) Link:9132#116140	Parent:#3 Siblings:#6 Children:#12	#10
	This didn't look like a poisoning, but I can't fit my head around how, with only two Narcs, one of them can vote to arrest the other one. I think they need a majority to arrest, which means a unanimity with only two Narcs. Oh great neon Man! Won't you give us a sign?! (bow and prostrate)

	Time:2005-09-21 21:24:09 GMT Author:kraydon Subject:(none) Link:9132#116908	Parent:#8 Siblings:(none) Children:(none)	#11
	I'm really not that hip-py. I keep trying, bet the damn things are still pretty much straight up and down. ;-)

	Time:2005-09-21 21:28:42 GMT Author:raversofbrc Subject:(none) Link:9132#117676	Parent:#10 Siblings:(none) Children:#17	#12
	The duck appears, pulling a little red wagon full of sod. He proceeds to roll the sod out onto the playa, then set up a tent on it. He pulls a large piece of cardboard, a stick, and a magic marker from his tent. He impales the cardboard on the stick, and writes on it with the magic marker. He then plants it squarely in the sod for all to see: "Keep off the grass".

	Time:2005-09-21 21:43:08 GMT Author:joelzero Subject:(none) Link:9132#120748	Parent:(none) Siblings:#1 #3 #5 #16 #18 #19 #28 #38 #45 #52 #55 #56 #58 #60 #61 #62 #64 #66 #68 #70 #72 #74 #78 #79 #81 Children:#23 #27 #29	#13
	Reviewing the facts of last day: One Narc got offed by sunset. There was only two Narcs remaining at the beginning of the day. Therefore: It could've only been the super-potion of the Chemist that wound up getting parzanese busted. Therefore: The Narcs didn't directly arrest anyone last day. They found the Snitch OR they couldn't decide who to bust. I think that them not compromising on someone to bust is bloody unlikely, although possibly due to the obvious Narc infighting going on. I think it's much more likely that one of us has turned Snitch. Which means, two more Narcs to go.

	Time:2005-09-21 21:45:15 GMT Author:joelzero Subject:(none) Link:9132#121516	Parent:#1 Siblings:#2 Children:(none)	#14
	Yeah, me too. That was pretty tricky of the Mayor. The Chemist has kicked some major ass by seeing through that ruse.

	Time:2005-09-21 21:48:23 GMT Author:joelzero Subject:(none) Link:9132#121772	Parent:#7 Siblings:#8 #20 Children:(none)	#15
	I (unfortunately) think it was parzanese that he checked. The Mayor is just too wily a player to not have to know what side he's on. That also means my "proof" of identity is gone. Nonetheless, I am a generic, pill munching RAVER. I have no special role.

	Time:2005-09-21 21:52:05 GMT Author:joelzero Subject:(none) Link:9132#122540	Parent:(none) Siblings:#1 #3 #5 #13 #18 #19 #28 #38 #45 #52 #55 #56 #58 #60 #61 #62 #64 #66 #68 #70 #72 #74 #78 #79 #81 Children:#21 #24 #25	#16
	I think we've found the noisy Narcs. I think one of the remaining Narcs is a quiet one. ilovetequila's gut instinct resonated with me. I vote hungryandhollow due to uncharacteristically mild posting.

	Time:2005-09-21 21:53:21 GMT Author:joelzero Subject:(none) Link:9132#122796	Parent:#12 Siblings:(none) Children:(none)	#17
	Thank you, Man! May you live forever!

	Time:2005-09-21 21:55:01 GMT Author:amphitrite27 Subject:(none) Link:9132#123308	Parent:(none) Siblings:#1 #3 #5 #13 #16 #19 #28 #38 #45 #52 #55 #56 #58 #60 #61 #62 #64 #66 #68 #70 #72 #74 #78 #79 #81 Children:#30 #31	#18
	the third, and most unlikely option of what transpired is that parzanese was the SNITCH, and was targeted by the NARCS, turning him into a NARC. The chemist, could then have poisoned him. wait, i don't know if thats true...(wouldn't the chemist have seen that he was targeted by the NARCS and then not have poisoned him?) the chemist could also have drugged parzanese and "saved" someone, which would only leave us with one NARC, if the chemist used both potions.

	Time:2005-09-21 22:11:17 GMT Author:amphitrite27 Subject:(none) Link:9132#124844	Parent:(none) Siblings:#1 #3 #5 #13 #16 #18 #28 #38 #45 #52 #55 #56 #58 #60 #61 #62 #64 #66 #68 #70 #72 #74 #78 #79 #81 Children:#69	#19
	The post numbers are : Night 1 airor made 6 posts - NARC amphitrite27 made 2 posts - I know I'm quiet, but RAVER evilben made 4 posts - gone flipperchaz made 2 posts - low, NARC, busy? fu_urns made 6 posts - unknown girlpurple made 3 posts - low, NARC, busy? gpeefalt made 3 posts - low, but low when guilty as well hungryandhollow made 5 posts - low, NARC? ilovetequila made 10 posts - high, but does posting change when bad? a lot of chat not much on game joelzero made 24 posts - see ilovetequila kraydon made 17 posts - midrange, i didn't notice major change parzanese made 36 posts - Naughty NARC pergatorigirl made 3 posts - low, NARC? perkyevil made 1 post - very low, NARC? princeofwands made 20 posts - ? the1mouse made 31 posts - K9 vrelis made 2 posts - low, busy, NARC? Night 2 airor made 5 posts - NARC amphitrite27 made 2 posts - Raver flipperchaz made 2 posts - very low girlpurple made 4 posts - low gpeefalt made 1 post - low hungryandhollow made 4 posts - low ilovetequila made 13 posts - middle, but how useful? joelzero made 10 posts - middle, somewhat on topic kraydon made 4 posts - low parzanese made 45 posts - high, NARC perkyevil made 2 posts - low princeofwands made 12 posts - fu_urns 0 posts - suspicious vrelis 0 posts - suspicious

	Time:2005-09-21 22:11:23 GMT Author:ilovetequila Subject:(none) Link:9132#125100	Parent:#7 Siblings:#8 #15 Children:(none)	#20
	I actually did not claim to be a plain old raver, I just claimed to be a raver (as in not a narc). Joel did claim to be a plain old raver.

	Time:2005-09-21 22:16:24 GMT Author:amphitrite27 Subject:(none) Link:9132#125356	Parent:#16 Siblings:#24 #25 Children:(none)	#21
	also last night he said "right now it looks like a battle between the [info]airor and Paraneze camps. But frankly, in the 1 game I've played with each of them, they were extremely strong villagers (sorry, "ravers") and I'm not voting for either of them without some damn good evidence. so i've picked someone at random. vote [info]perkyevil ." so he may be trying to avoid voting for any NARC vote hungryandhollow

	Time:2005-09-21 22:16:32 GMT Author:ilovetequila Subject:(none) Link:9132#125868	Parent:#9 Siblings:(none) Children:#41 #44	#22
	Hrm. If the chemist popped parzanese, he would be wandering around on long acting psychadelic, not arrested and we would know the difference. Just like in the werewolves game, we can tell the difference between death by wolf attack and death by witch's poison, we should be able to tell the difference between someone being arrested and being slipped the chemist's psychadelic. GM: is this correct? If someone gets slipped the long acting psycadelic, will we know it or will they appear to be arrested?

	Time:2005-09-21 22:18:44 GMT Author:ilovetequila Subject:(none) Link:9132#126380	Parent:#13 Siblings:#27 #29 Children:#40	#23
	But it just doesn't make sense. A hit by the chemist should not be the same as an arrest just like a poisoning by a witch is not the same as a werewolf attack. We should be able to see the difference. I'm not seeing any possible way for these events to have transpired.

	Time:2005-09-21 22:19:08 GMT Author:hungryandhollow Subject:(none) Link:9132#126892	Parent:#16 Siblings:#21 #25 Children:#26	#24
	My uncharacteristically mild posting is a result of the fact that classes start this Thursday. Therefore, we've had several activities going on at church - I've spent at least 4 hours a day there monday, yesterday, and today - and i've been working 8-5 monday and tuesday and 8-1 today because i work on campus, and these are the days we have our annual training session. i usually check from work, but i've been unable to do so because i actually had stuff to do at work these last few days, and church has chewed up my remaining time.

	Time:2005-09-21 22:20:22 GMT Author:ilovetequila Subject:(none) Link:9132#127148	Parent:#16 Siblings:#21 #24 Children:(none)	#25
	I agree with your agreement with me. ;-) Vote hungryandhollow But I need to go back and look at what characters we have and everything that happened to see how this whole thing is possible.

	Time:2005-09-21 22:22:33 GMT Author:amphitrite27 Subject:(none) Link:9132#127660	Parent:#24 Siblings:(none) Children:#34	#26
	any words on why you defended both NARCS yesterday....or any other suggestions?

	Time:2005-09-21 22:23:27 GMT Author:amphitrite27 Subject:(none) Link:9132#127916	Parent:#13 Siblings:#23 #29 Children:(none)	#27
	or the chemist both offed and saved someone, assuming thats possible

	Time:2005-09-21 22:25:13 GMT Author:princeofwands Subject:(none) Link:9132#128428	Parent:(none) Siblings:#1 #3 #5 #13 #16 #18 #19 #38 #45 #52 #55 #56 #58 #60 #61 #62 #64 #66 #68 #70 #72 #74 #78 #79 #81 Children:#33 #36 #37 #47	#28
	Things we know. We have removed from play the following roles: (evilben) The GLOWSTICK NINJA (the1mouse) The K9 UNIT (airor) First (of three original) NARC(s) (parzanese) -- seemingly the Second (of three original) NARC(s) The DOSE FAIRY (me) could not affect the outcome of that round. The HIGH SCHOOL CHUMS (2) could not affect the outocme of that round. The FRAT BOY could not affect the outcome of that round. [Also, the FRAT BOY has not been entirely deactivated and for the rest of the game can be considered just another of the original RAVERS - as there are not remaining NINJA claims to wrongly see him.] The RAVERS (all 5 still with us! We should call them 6 from now on.) could not affect the outcome of that round. I imagine that since only one person was taken out that the DRAMA QUEEN was not activated, but somehow survived while taking out their target. Anybody else think this is possible? (NARCS pick DRAMA QUEEN, DRAMA QUEEN was pointed at parzanese (who turned out to be a NARC), CHEMIST saves DRAMA QUEEN, parzanese gets busted anyway.) Leaving us with significant players "yesterday": 2 Original NARCS CHEMIST SNITCH NARCS attack parzanese (parzanese is not an original NARC) Chemist is told that parzanese is attacked - Chemist Defends - how did parzanese get killed then? - not possible. - Chemist ignores - parzanese dies - how did he read as a NARC? not possible. - Chemist attacks - why would they do that? That makes No sense at all!! NARCS attack !parzanese - Chemist Defends - how was parzanese involved in this. Chemist can't save and kill in same round. - Chemist ignores - how did parzanese die? Not possible. - Chemist Attacks - parzanese, NARCS target is now turned. Yup - that seems the only sane interpretation; that the SNITCH was targeted by the NARCS and has been activated and then the CHEMIST had it out for and nuked parzanese. Wonder who the chemist is to have had that grudge, or was it who the NARCS targeted that set them off? Sadly, I'm reluctant to accept this interpretation because the SUMMARY text above doesn't match with my expectations based on the the roles descriptions. Other theories: 1) The NARCS pick up the DRAMA QUEEN. The DRAMA QUEEN fingers parzanese, but the CHEMIST (saving) potions the DRAMA QUEEN? Should be applicable since the DRAMA QUEEN wasn't actually "killed" and shouln't have been triggered. 2) The NARCS pick up parzanese who is the SNITCH. The CHEMIST is informed, and chooses to doubly blow him up. Thus activation and then removing the SNITCH in one fell swoop. Why would the CHEMIST extra double attack the NARCS target?

	Time:2005-09-21 22:25:51 GMT Author:amphitrite27 Subject:(none) Link:9132#128684	Parent:#13 Siblings:#23 #27 Children:(none)	#29
	or as i mention below, the chemist and the NARCS target him, and he's the snitch he becomes a NARC, only to get arrested.

	Time:2005-09-21 22:26:20 GMT Author:princeofwands Subject:(none) Link:9132#128940	Parent:#18 Siblings:#31 Children:#32	#30
	CHEMIST can't use both potions in the same night.

	Time:2005-09-21 22:27:05 GMT Author:joelzero Subject:(none) Link:9132#129196	Parent:#18 Siblings:#30 Children:#35	#31
	wait, i don't know if thats true...(wouldn't the chemist have seen that he was targeted by the NARCS and then not have poisoned him?) It's all simultaneous, I believe. The Chemist can dose the same person the Narcs bust. Only one of the Chemist's two potions may be used on any given day.

	Time:2005-09-21 22:30:13 GMT Author:amphitrite27 Subject:(none) Link:9132#129452	Parent:#30 Siblings:(none) Children:(none)	#32
	thanks

	Time:2005-09-21 22:30:25 GMT Author:princeofwands Subject:(none) Link:9132#129708	Parent:#28 Siblings:#36 #37 #47 Children:(none)	#33
	quoting myself The FRAT BOY has been entirely deactivated. Sorry for the type-o.

	Time:2005-09-21 22:31:22 GMT Author:hungryandhollow Subject:(none) Link:9132#129964	Parent:#26 Siblings:(none) Children:#54	#34
	i think my post stands as a valid point - airor and paraneze were two of our strongest players in former games, and i saw no evidence that we should lynch either of them. i know it looks suspicious and you'll probably lynch me next, but i really am a plain, simple raver with no special abilites. if you have any more questions, let me know by 10 PM tonight and i'll be able to answer them - cass starts tomorrow morning so i won't be on.

	Time:2005-09-21 22:31:36 GMT Author:amphitrite27 Subject:(none) Link:9132#130476	Parent:#31 Siblings:(none) Children:(none)	#35
	so if it is done simultaneously, the chemist easily could have drugged parzanese, who may was the SNITCH and trageted by the NARCS to shut him up. I almost find that more likely than him starting the vote against airor, the NARC it would make sense for the NARCS to take him out early.

	Time:2005-09-21 22:32:00 GMT Author:princeofwands Subject:(none) Link:9132#130732	Parent:#28 Siblings:#33 #37 #47 Children:(none)	#36
	And under Other Theroies 1) - Shouldn't be applicable.

	Time:2005-09-21 22:33:07 GMT Author:joelzero Subject:(none) Link:9132#131244	Parent:#28 Siblings:#33 #36 #47 Children:#39	#37
	I imagine that since only one person was taken out that the DRAMA QUEEN was not activated If the Drama Queen is busted, she is revealed as the Drama Queen. The Drama Queen is still among us. If parzanese wasn't the Snitch, that means the Chemist saw who the Snitch is! The Chemist knows who one of the remaining Narcs is!

	Time:2005-09-21 22:36:11 GMT Author:princeofwands Subject:requesting clarification from the gm Link:9132#132012	Parent:(none) Siblings:#1 #3 #5 #13 #16 #18 #19 #28 #45 #52 #55 #56 #58 #60 #61 #62 #64 #66 #68 #70 #72 #74 #78 #79 #81 Children:#43 #46	#38
	1) In this setting is a player being removed from the game via CHEMIST potion indistinguishable from a NARC pick-up? 2) In this setting, is it possible for the DRAMA QUEEN to be activated (killed) take out their target, and then be saved - thus resulting only in the removal of the DRAMA QUEEN's target but not the DRAMA QUEEN?

	Time:2005-09-21 22:38:19 GMT Author:princeofwands Subject:(none) Link:9132#132524	Parent:#37 Siblings:(none) Children:#42	#39
	I'm inclined to agree with you, but the GM's language seems to conflict with several players expectations re: a CHEMIST killing. If that is the likely possibility, why is the saved after activated DRAMA QUEEN interpretation not also valid? Liberties with notifications seem a required feature of the current outcome.

	Time:2005-09-21 22:39:50 GMT Author:joelzero Subject:(none) Link:9132#132780	Parent:#23 Siblings:(none) Children:(none)	#40
	I guess the "what info you reveal" chart is different and unknown for raversofbrc. It may even be different for millershollow. All we know for sure is that parzanese isn't here and that he was a Narc.

	Time:2005-09-21 22:40:12 GMT Author:amphitrite27 Subject:(none) Link:9132#133036	Parent:#22 Siblings:#44 Children:#49 #50 #51	#41
	well, the only reason we can tell hte difference in wolf/witch attackes is the flavor text, which we are technically not supposed to use. i don't remember ever seeing a descriptor of "the witch killed the wolf blahblah blah"

	Time:2005-09-21 22:46:07 GMT Author:joelzero Subject:(none) Link:9132#133292	Parent:#39 Siblings:(none) Children:(none)	#42
	The only required information that the moderator gives is who is "dead" and what role they had (at the current time, in the case of the Snitch). Giving reasons why someone "died" (poison, arrested by Narcs, eaten by the Werebunny) is completely up to the moderator's discretion and is not covered by the Master Rules. There is a blind version of the game where roles are not revealed at the death of that character, but we are not playing that version.

	Time:2005-09-21 22:49:00 GMT Author:joelzero Subject:Re: requesting clarification from the gm Link:9132#133548	Parent:#38 Siblings:#46 Children:(none)	#43
	2) As a moderator, I would rule the Drama Queen isn't dead in this case, and therefore gets no retalitory strike. I'm not sure what the rules are here.

	Time:2005-09-21 22:50:44 GMT Author:raversofbrc Subject:(none) Link:9132#133804	Parent:#22 Siblings:#41 Children:(none)	#44
	parzanese was arrested. He was not under the influence of the chemist's long lasting psychedelic. I think I'd have had much more fun writing flavor text if the Mayor of Miller's Hollow had been hopped up on the long lasting psychedelic when he was arrested. =)

	Time:2005-09-21 22:57:05 GMT Author:amphitrite27 Subject:(none) Link:9132#134060	Parent:(none) Siblings:#1 #3 #5 #13 #16 #18 #19 #28 #38 #52 #55 #56 #58 #60 #61 #62 #64 #66 #68 #70 #72 #74 #78 #79 #81 Children:#48	#45
	parzanese was straight up arrested not drugged, just arrested so, there is no snitch (the two NARCS taregted parzanese?), there was no "save"

	Time:2005-09-21 22:57:13 GMT Author:raversofbrc Subject:Re: requesting clarification from the gm Link:9132#134316	Parent:#38 Siblings:#43 Children:(none)	#46
	1) Would I pass up such a sweet opportunity for writing flavor text that had the Mayor hopped up on some long lasting psychedelic? The long lasting psychedelic potion would not look like a normal arrest. 2) The DRAMA QUEEN only gets their free kill when they actually die.

	Time:2005-09-21 22:58:12 GMT Author:amphitrite27 Subject:(none) Link:9132#134572	Parent:#28 Siblings:#33 #36 #37 Children:(none)	#47
	see the brc post, parzanese was just arrested regular plain old no chemist involved arrested

	Time:2005-09-21 23:05:04 GMT Author:perkyevil Subject:(none) Link:9132#134828	Parent:#45 Siblings:(none) Children:#53	#48
	But wouldn't he have had half of the votes?! Why would he ever vote for himself?

	Time:2005-09-21 23:10:31 GMT Author:ilovetequila Subject:(none) Link:9132#135084	Parent:#41 Siblings:#50 #51 Children:(none)	#49
	No, we are told the difference. When someone is dead, we are told whether they were killed by wolves or poisoned by the witch.

	Time:2005-09-21 23:13:27 GMT Author:ilovetequila Subject:(none) Link:9132#135340	Parent:#41 Siblings:#49 #51 Children:(none)	#50
	Heh, I started to second guess myself, but then raversofbrc clarified. :)

	Time:2005-09-21 23:16:57 GMT Author:ilovetequila Subject:(none) Link:9132#135852	Parent:#41 Siblings:#49 #50 Children:(none)	#51
	Okay, I started to second guess myself because I can't find a case in millershollow where someone was poisoned, but I was certain that it had happened and the village was told that they were killed by poison. But now we have GM clarification. :)

	Time:2005-09-21 23:19:55 GMT Author:princeofwands Subject:(none) Link:9132#136108	Parent:(none) Siblings:#1 #3 #5 #13 #16 #18 #19 #28 #38 #45 #55 #56 #58 #60 #61 #62 #64 #66 #68 #70 #72 #74 #78 #79 #81 Children:#71	#52
	The Man has raised his hands and spoken. parzanese did not die at the hands of the CHEMIST or the DRAMA QUEEN, and game text will uniquely indentify those endings in other cases. So then, what's the explaination that makes any sense? There's no MARTYR in this game. Have we mis-interpreted a sly and subtle role definition that permits some false report? Was there a second kill attempt the first day that the CHEMIST saved?

	Time:2005-09-21 23:22:40 GMT Author:amphitrite27 Subject:(none) Link:9132#136364	Parent:#48 Siblings:(none) Children:(none)	#53
	I dunno, but raversofbrc clarified that it was not a chemist long-term drugging so he must have agreed...or been outvoted, could we have missed something?

	Time:2005-09-21 23:24:10 GMT Author:amphitrite27 Subject:(none) Link:9132#136620	Parent:#34 Siblings:(none) Children:#65	#54
	wrll i can be swayed by further discussion...i understand about the havoc of school. and it may just be unlucky that you were defending teh only two known NARCS

	Time:2005-09-21 23:24:31 GMT Author:ilovetequila Subject:(none) Link:9132#136876	Parent:(none) Siblings:#1 #3 #5 #13 #16 #18 #19 #28 #38 #45 #52 #56 #58 #60 #61 #62 #64 #66 #68 #70 #72 #74 #78 #79 #81 Children:#57	#55
	Alright! SO I believe we now know: * The snitch did not turn (there would have been no arrests). * The chemist did not dose anyone (there would be someone out due to being dosed!) * The drama queen did not take anyone out (this only happens if the drama queen is herself actually taken out - if she's saved, no one goes out). Therefore * Parzanese was a narc the whole time. * There is now one narc left in the game, and one snitch who could turn if the narc tries to arrest him. * Parzanese was arrested by himself and his fellow snitch. I believe Parzanese was counting on being saved by the witch. To give us airor and then be targetted (but saved) would make him appear awfully trustworthy. But the witch did not play into his plan.

	Time:2005-09-21 23:25:39 GMT Author:princeofwands Subject:(none) Link:9132#137132	Parent:(none) Siblings:#1 #3 #5 #13 #16 #18 #19 #28 #38 #45 #52 #55 #58 #60 #61 #62 #64 #66 #68 #70 #72 #74 #78 #79 #81 Children:#59	#56
	Also interesting, our two known NARCS (airor and parzanese) voted so far only for each other, evilben(NINJA, killed), and the1mouse(K9UNIT(killed)). No evidence from their deaths of candidate fellow NARCS or likely safe RAVERS. Damn. Even in death.

	Time:2005-09-21 23:27:36 GMT Author:princeofwands Subject:(none) Link:9132#137388	Parent:#55 Siblings:(none) Children:(none)	#57
	Nice! A reasonable explaination for how parzanese attacked himself as an original NARC. I like it.

	Time:2005-09-21 23:30:48 GMT Author:princeofwands Subject:(none) Link:9132#137644	Parent:(none) Siblings:#1 #3 #5 #13 #16 #18 #19 #28 #38 #45 #52 #55 #56 #60 #61 #62 #64 #66 #68 #70 #72 #74 #78 #79 #81 Children:(none)	#58
	If there's only one NARC left, then the HIGH SCHOOL CHUMS can identify each other - but I wouldn't do it until one of you started getting dogpiled on.

	Time:2005-09-21 23:43:07 GMT Author:ilovetequila Subject:(none) Link:9132#137900	Parent:#56 Siblings:(none) Children:(none)	#59
	Damn. On the positive side, the narcs have damn near cleaned themselves out! If we do nothing at all, maybe the last narc will kill himself. ;-)

	Time:2005-09-22 00:05:48 GMT Author:girlpurple Subject:whimper Link:9132#138156	Parent:(none) Siblings:#1 #3 #5 #13 #16 #18 #19 #28 #38 #45 #52 #55 #56 #58 #61 #62 #64 #66 #68 #70 #72 #74 #78 #79 #81 Children:(none)	#60
	Are we sure the DOSE FAIRY didn't just hit the communal water supply? :-) Makes my head hurt... gonna go hang out in the shade structure and pet joelzero's fuzzy pink and green robe. Slow Down!

	Time:2005-09-22 00:05:49 GMT Author:pergatorigirl Subject:(none) Link:9132#138412	Parent:(none) Siblings:#1 #3 #5 #13 #16 #18 #19 #28 #38 #45 #52 #55 #56 #58 #60 #62 #64 #66 #68 #70 #72 #74 #78 #79 #81 Children:(none)	#61
	I'm going home sick sniffle sniffle Sorry I can' stay guys. I'll be gone for a few days and won't be able to play. Luck to all. ::walks off into the desert sunset::

	Time:2005-09-22 00:12:10 GMT Author:princeofwands Subject:(none) Link:9132#138668	Parent:(none) Siblings:#1 #3 #5 #13 #16 #18 #19 #28 #38 #45 #52 #55 #56 #58 #60 #61 #64 #66 #68 #70 #72 #74 #78 #79 #81 Children:#63	#62
	Crap on a stick. Last night we saw no votes or abstains from three players: gpeefalt, pergatorigirl, and vrelis. pergatorigirl just posted calling in sick and walking off into the desert to go home.

	Time:2005-09-22 00:13:11 GMT Author:amphitrite27 Subject:(none) Link:9132#138924	Parent:#62 Siblings:(none) Children:(none)	#63
	and fu_urns, right

	Time:2005-09-22 00:40:58 GMT Author:princeofwands Subject:(none) Link:9132#139180	Parent:(none) Siblings:#1 #3 #5 #13 #16 #18 #19 #28 #38 #45 #52 #55 #56 #58 #60 #61 #62 #66 #68 #70 #72 #74 #78 #79 #81 Children:(none)	#64
	A recommendation for the rest of the game, right now (still counting pergatorigirl), we have eliminated 4 of 17 players. The lone remaining NARC knows their own identity. There are 7 players who think they're ordinary villagers. One of them is a SNITCH. I imagine for the rest of the game that the lone NARC will be trying to find their SNITCH. Right now, they've got 1/11 to hunt for. If we fully reduce the number (outing all the specials) it falls to 1/6. And the DRAMA QUEEN can still be used against us anyway. But by just blind random chance their 1/11 or 1/6 is still better than our collective 1/12 or 1/5 and the gap grows as our numbers dwindle. So - we've got to find a way to (while not outing ourselves) hunt down the NARC from among the seven "plain" RAVERS, from the 11 people left that aren't me. Sadly, those of you that've made claims to be plain RAVERS are the targets for both sides now. more later. and sadly, the Adam's rockin' game interface page has been down for a while now, so reading back up into the comments threads here is gonna be a pain.

	Time:2005-09-22 01:21:31 GMT Author:flipperchaz Subject:(none) Link:9132#139436	Parent:#54 Siblings:(none) Children:(none)	#65
	Best option at the moment. Vote hungryandhollow

	Time:2005-09-22 02:19:03 GMT Author:princeofwands Subject:(none) Link:9132#139692	Parent:(none) Siblings:#1 #3 #5 #13 #16 #18 #19 #28 #38 #45 #52 #55 #56 #58 #60 #61 #62 #64 #68 #70 #72 #74 #78 #79 #81 Children:#67 #73	#66
	Busy night tonight, so I'm not sure that I'll get back to getting into a more organized writing of my thoughts here, but this I think needs spelled out, so here goes. All special characters, DO NOT OUT YOURSELVES... let me explain. DRAMA QUEEN - if you out yourself you become a target for the NARC as they know you'll take someone down with you. Keep your drama bomb targeted at random villagers. If you think you've identified the CHUMs or the CHEMIST, go ahead and avoid them. If we have a highly likely second choice for lynching, you might choose them that night. LOVERS - same above - if you out yourself you become a target for the NARC going for the two-for-one kill. HIGH SCHOOL CHUMS - your anonymity protects the DRAMA QUEEN and the CHEMIST. CHEMIST - You are the key to identifying the activated SNITCH. Do not save anybody (including me, excluding yourself, you're no use to us dead). As long as you haven't saved anyone you get visibility into who the SNITCH is once activated. Very powerful. I'm not sure what to do yet once a SNITCH has been activated, not how to defend yourself should you be the target of a lynching. Any help here someone. MORE FROM ME ON THIS LATER IF I GET A CHANCE TO THINK WRITE OUT ALL THE REASONS. EVERYBODY - the three players left in the game that are of special value to the last NARC are the SNITCH (who will increase the number of NARCS), the CHEMIST (who can both identify the SNITCH once activated and kill at will in the day), and the DRAMA QUEEN who will has that two-for-one kill value. The LOVERS also fit that bill, but not knowing how they overlap (if at all) the other roles, they can really be ignored here. The last NARC at this point is likely to be optimizing for detecting these roles. That's it for my first pass. Think on it, comment on the holes I've left here or am blatently failing on.

	Time:2005-09-22 04:48:03 GMT Author:hungryandhollow Subject:(none) Link:9132#140716	Parent:#66 Siblings:#73 Children:(none)	#67
	I agree about the chemist. Don't kill or save anyone but yourself - none of the rest of us are important at this point. When you see someone targeted and not killed, just kill them the next day. No need to even reveal yourself.

	Time:2005-09-22 04:57:45 GMT Author:hungryandhollow Subject:(none) Link:9132#141228	Parent:(none) Siblings:#1 #3 #5 #13 #16 #18 #19 #28 #38 #45 #52 #55 #56 #58 #60 #61 #62 #64 #66 #70 #72 #74 #78 #79 #81 Children:(none)	#68
	Well, it's 4 votes for me and none for anyone else, so it looks bad for my chances. I'll just reiterate what i've said before - I've been having training sessions at work Monday-Wednesday, my classes are starting tomorrow, and my duties for the church council keep me very busy. Since this is Welcome Week for freshmen, I've spent many hours a day at church working on the welcome activities we do, which eats up my free time after work. As for my defense of airor and paraneze, that was just logic. Two of our strongest players, with no concrete evidence against either - it didn't make any sense, although i know in retrospect it looks bad. On the other hand, it won't bother me overmuch if you lynch me (or whatever we do here in BRC :P). I haven't had the time to get into this game like I have in the past, and it looks like we'll win soon anyway - i don't see how the NARCs could come back from such a blow. But there's always a chance, so please, don't lynch me. I give you my word i'm just a raver. Oh, and since i'll probably die anyway, here's my shameful secret - i hate raves <3

	Time:2005-09-22 11:35:27 GMT Author:fu_urns Subject:(none) Link:9132#142764	Parent:#19 Siblings:(none) Children:(none)	#69
	i've been traveling for work. Which shold make me suspicious, I suppose, considering it's burning man and all. But so it goes.

	Time:2005-09-22 14:34:26 GMT Author:princeofwands Subject:princeofwands abstains Link:9132#143020	Parent:(none) Siblings:#1 #3 #5 #13 #16 #18 #19 #28 #38 #45 #52 #55 #56 #58 #60 #61 #62 #64 #66 #68 #72 #74 #78 #79 #81 Children:(none)	#70
	With no good evidence, a dogpile already on hungryandhollow, four players that outright skipped the last vote, and appointments from 0830-0930 and 1030-1130 with an hour commute between then, I might not get a chance to do anything more than passingly scan new comments. vote abstain If my vote is looking like a tiebreaker / decision maker, please reply to this comment and the email notification with this subject will get my attention and I'll see what I can do. Otherwise, good luck RAVERS!

	Time:2005-09-22 15:07:27 GMT Author:joelzero Subject:(none) Link:9132#143276	Parent:#52 Siblings:(none) Children:(none)	#71
	A second "kill" attempt is not possible unless it is the Chemist or Drama Queen. We know the kill-trip potion hasn't been used, nor has the Drama Queen been busted. There has been no second "kill".

	Time:2005-09-22 15:42:26 GMT Author:kraydon Subject:(none) Link:9132#143788	Parent:(none) Siblings:#1 #3 #5 #13 #16 #18 #19 #28 #38 #45 #52 #55 #56 #58 #60 #61 #62 #64 #66 #68 #70 #74 #78 #79 #81 Children:(none)	#72
	Vote hungryandhollow

	Time:2005-09-22 15:55:56 GMT Author:parzanese Subject:Rules Clarification Link:9132#144556	Parent:#66 Siblings:#67 Children:#75	#73
	um why would the chemist see anything about the snitch? . . . I don't know how Adam's doing it, but in Millers Hollow, the witch (chemist) sees who the victim is of the werewolves (narcs). In the case of the afflicted (snitch) there is no victim. That's all the witch (chemist) gets. There's no way I'd rat out the identity of the afflicted to the witch just because they hadn't used their healing potion. I'm assuming Adam will either refute me or back me up.

	Time:2005-09-22 15:57:59 GMT Author:perkyevil Subject:(none) Link:9132#144812	Parent:(none) Siblings:#1 #3 #5 #13 #16 #18 #19 #28 #38 #45 #52 #55 #56 #58 #60 #61 #62 #64 #66 #68 #70 #72 #78 #79 #81 Children:#77	#74
	Vote amphitrite27 I don't think that paranzanese would have put his fellow Narc in the "most suspicious" category.

	Time:2005-09-22 16:18:43 GMT Author:raversofbrc Subject:Re: Rules Clarification Link:9132#145068	Parent:#73 Siblings:(none) Children:#76	#75
	If the SNITCH turns, the CHEMIST will not know who he is. If the CHEMIST has not yet used the detox potion, all they will know is that there was no arrest.

	Time:2005-09-22 16:37:07 GMT Author:princeofwands Subject:Re: Rules Clarification Link:9132#145580	Parent:#75 Siblings:(none) Children:(none)	#76
	Thank you Master Raver Man!!! My playa-brained self had latched onto the incorrect notion that the CHEMIST saw who the NARCS attacked rather than who they killed. Silly me. Boy has the playa been playing tricks with me this year. OMG!! What if I'm the last NARC?

	Time:2005-09-22 16:45:53 GMT Author:amphitrite27 Subject:(none) Link:9132#145836	Parent:#74 Siblings:(none) Children:(none)	#77
	I know that there is very little I can say, except that I've been talking a lot of strategy, and that I am in fact NOT THE NARC it isn't that foolish to ostracize one villager, since we are so far ahead, but I think there is absolutely no proof of my guilt. And I think that there are far more suspcious characters than I. Also, parzanese voted to arrest himself, why do you think he would have put the last remaining NARC in any category? he's obviously playing a more agggressive, chancy game than we gave him credit for.

	Time:2005-09-22 17:08:27 GMT Author:girlpurple Subject:(none) Link:9132#146348	Parent:(none) Siblings:#1 #3 #5 #13 #16 #18 #19 #28 #38 #45 #52 #55 #56 #58 #60 #61 #62 #64 #66 #68 #70 #72 #74 #79 #81 Children:(none)	#78
	vote hungryandhollow Ooh, looky!! It's that bandwagon artcar again! SHINY!

	Time:2005-09-22 17:14:21 GMT Author:gpeefalt Subject:(none) Link:9132#146604	Parent:(none) Siblings:#1 #3 #5 #13 #16 #18 #19 #28 #38 #45 #52 #55 #56 #58 #60 #61 #62 #64 #66 #68 #70 #72 #74 #78 #81 Children:#80	#79
	I must apologize for my lack of posting. I have been on joory doody for the last two days. Apparently, Ravers tend to get excused.

	Time:2005-09-22 17:17:29 GMT Author:gpeefalt Subject:(none) Link:9132#146860	Parent:#79 Siblings:(none) Children:(none)	#80
	Oh yeah... vote hungryandhollow I like wandbagons.

	Time:2005-09-22 20:51:09 GMT Author:raversofbrc Subject:(none) Link:9132#149932	Parent:(none) Siblings:#1 #3 #5 #13 #16 #18 #19 #28 #38 #45 #52 #55 #56 #58 #60 #61 #62 #64 #66 #68 #70 #72 #74 #78 #79 Children:(none)	#81
	Post closed

Vote History

joelzero	vote	hungryandhollow	2005-09-21 21:52:05 GMT	#16
amphitrite27	vote	hungryandhollow	2005-09-21 22:16:24 GMT	#21
ilovetequila	vote	hungryandhollow	2005-09-21 22:20:22 GMT	#25
flipperchaz	vote	hungryandhollow	2005-09-22 01:21:31 GMT	#65
princeofwands	vote	abstain	2005-09-22 14:34:26 GMT	#70
kraydon	vote	hungryandhollow	2005-09-22 15:42:26 GMT	#72
perkyevil	vote	amphitrite27	2005-09-22 15:57:59 GMT	#74
girlpurple	vote	hungryandhollow	2005-09-22 17:08:27 GMT	#78
gpeefalt	vote	hungryandhollow	2005-09-22 17:17:29 GMT	#80

Vote Summary

7 against	hungryandhollow	:	kraydon amphitrite27 gpeefalt ilovetequila flipperchaz girlpurple joelzero
1 against	amphitrite27	:	perkyevil
1 against	abstain	:	princeofwands
Posted but no vote		:	fu_urns hungryandhollow parzanese pergatorigirl raversofbrc

Posting Statistics

posts by	princeofwands	:	(18)	#3 #7 #9 #28 #30 #33 #36 #38 #39 #52 #56 #57 #58 #62 #64 #66 #70 #76
posts by	amphitrite27	:	(18)	#5 #6 #8 #18 #19 #21 #26 #27 #29 #32 #35 #41 #45 #47 #53 #54 #63 #77
posts by	joelzero	:	(12)	#10 #13 #14 #15 #16 #17 #31 #37 #40 #42 #43 #71
posts by	ilovetequila	:	(9)	#20 #22 #23 #25 #49 #50 #51 #55 #59
posts by	raversofbrc	:	(6)	#2 #12 #44 #46 #75 #81
posts by	kraydon	:	(4)	#1 #4 #11 #72
posts by	hungryandhollow	:	(4)	#24 #34 #67 #68
posts by	perkyevil	:	(2)	#48 #74
posts by	gpeefalt	:	(2)	#79 #80
posts by	girlpurple	:	(2)	#60 #78
posts by	parzanese	:	(1)	#73
posts by	pergatorigirl	:	(1)	#61
posts by	fu_urns	:	(1)	#69
posts by	flipperchaz	:	(1)	#65

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